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Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by BiasRegularizer on Friday January 24, 2020 @08:51AM (#22138198)
I was born and raised in Wuhan. My father and a few friends are still in Wuhan, one of the friend is a nurse. Here's what they told me:

* The hospitals in Wuhan are at absolute maximum capacity. they are lumping any fever cases (e.g. flu) patients with potential coronavirus patients in the same room.

* People with mild symptoms are sent home due to capacity, they are instructed to be quarantined at home unless symptoms get worse

* Despite reports, surgical masks are completely sold out in China, my dad is asking me to send him 3M (the brand) masks from abroad.

* Even hospitals are low on surgical masks for staff. Each nurse is given one or two masks per day, but per regulation, they needed to replace the mask every 3 hours.

* A wider scale locked down went in to effect in Wuhan this morning, forbidding anybody from entering or leaving on any roads, rail, water or flight.

* Domestic news are filled with non-sense, top 3 news today are praising Xi's CNY speech, which has exactly zero word mentioning the pandemic or Wuhan.

[Edit] One more thing,

* This coronavirus is potentially deadlier than SARS. Most of the 25 deaths are from the original 47 cases that was reported a few weeks ago.

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by hatenberg on Friday January 24, 2020 @08:59AM (#22138269)
* Domestic news are filled with non-sense, top 3 news today are praising Xi's CNY speech, which has exactly zero word mentioning the pandemic or Wuhan.

I can't put my finger on this where I may have seen this foxy pattern before...

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by jialutu on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:18AM (#22138430)
If you are interested, there is a crowdfund in the UK trying to raise money to provide surgical masks to doctor and nurses in Wuhan. Here is the link: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/standbywuhan
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by dspillett on Friday January 24, 2020 @10:23AM (#22138988)
If the area is officially locked down, blocking transport by land, air, & water, how are they planning to deliver the masks?

I assume there are exceptions made for appropriate officials and medical personnel, if adequate quarantine rues are followed, do the group attracting the crowd funding have access to this channel? Or drone based deliver perhaps (assuming they don't break the transport in/out rule despite not being manned so not presenting the same infection spread vector)?

I'd like to know the masks are going to go somewhere useful, rather than being blocked by the rules and distributed around officials instead of to hospital staff & patients and the public, before I donate.

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by jialutu on Friday January 24, 2020 @10:38AM (#22139138)
So apparently it's not a full quarantine like everyone suggests, but more of a partial quarantine. My understanding is that deliveries to the local government is not accepted, so they are sending this straight to the hospitals. I also hear the logistics are set up, with more information currently available in the wechat group set up for this.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by gamblor956 on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:46PM (#22140606)
This is a full quarantine per all media reporting, including Chinese party apparatus. People are allowed in but are not allowed to leave once they are in Wuhan.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by hker on Saturday January 25, 2020 @01:53AM (#22145139)
FWIW, a twitter user claims to be threatened by the police for donating surgical masks and goggles in Hubei:

Tweet in simplified Chinese: https://twitter.com/yajunwwz/status/1220632278688129029

With link to YouTube in Mandarin: https://youtu.be/N6jsuoxENPE

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by lykr0n on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:48PM (#22141792)
No. That's the government's job. China is not some impoverished country.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by thaumasiotes on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:17PM (#22142555)
> China is not some impoverished country.

That's not obvious. Here are some countries with higher estimated GDP per capita than China:

Mexico (roughly equal)

Malaysia (10% more)

Romania (24% more)

Uruguay (69% more)

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by lykr0n on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:29PM (#22148729)
The per capita is low in China, but that doesn't make the different layers of government unable to provide stuff like that.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by hmbe on Saturday January 25, 2020 @06:33AM (#22145864)
Not to mention these masks are likely made IN China... divert production.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by thaumasiotes on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:32AM (#22138572)
> Despite reports, surgical masks are completely sold out in China, my dad is asking me to send him 3M masks from abroad.

Is 3M a brand, or are you shipping three million masks?

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by hnarn on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:11AM (#22145348)
3M is a Fortune 100 company, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a reader to have heard about them.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by BiasRegularizer on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:33AM (#22138590)
I meant the brand, not the quantity. Sorry!
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by throwaway122378 on Friday January 24, 2020 @08:55AM (#22138235)
Those masks are manufactured in China and are not available? Something doesn’t add up
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by yorwba on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:02AM (#22138297)
Everyone in China who can afford to buy masks has scrambled to buy them. Of course they're sold out. Production is probably ramping up massively, but that's still not enough to satisfy demand right now.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by BiasRegularizer on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:01AM (#22138287)
Yes, scalpers swoop them up in all online stores. They are even sold out on Amazon US, Canada, UK and DE. I was told only the ones with a N95 rating can be effective against this virus.

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Particulate-Respirator-8210-Pack/d...

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by ValentineC on Friday January 24, 2020 @10:02AM (#22138820)
> I was told only the ones with a N95 rating can be effective against this virus.

N95 masks need to be fit properly [1], and are very uncomfortable for daily use.

Surgical masks are a good compromise for going out in public, and mostly protect others from the mask-wearer. It's more important to practise good hygiene to avoid infection [2].

[1] https://www.osha.gov/video/respiratory_protection/fittesting...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/health/coronavirus-surgic...

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by thaumasiotes on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:22PM (#22142593)
> Surgical masks are a good compromise for going out in public, and mostly protect others from the mask-wearer.

Under this model, if everyone panics and wears masks to prevent themselves from getting sick, the spread of the disease will be crippled because everyone's wearing masks and people who are sick can't infect anyone else. It's a great idea.

This isn't really different from the herd immunity model of vaccination, where a lot of individuals getting vaccinated return a huge bonus to society in the form of herd immunity. If herd immunity were the only benefit, would we still want people to get vaccinated? Of course, that's why it's supposed to be mandatory.

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by oefrha on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:04AM (#22138315)
Hmm, but it is in stock on Amazon US right now?

I also went to tmall.com, Alibaba’s Chinese online marketplace, and it appears they are in stock too:

https://list.tmall.com/search_product.htm?q=%BF%DA%D5%D6n95&...

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by BiasRegularizer on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:09AM (#22138353)
Apparently (or so I was told) that the masks with ventilation holes are not nearly as effective. Hence my original link is one without a breathable hole. If you check Amazon again, all the hole-less N95 masks are all sold out.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by oefrha on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:11AM (#22138373)
Your original link does say “in stock” at least for me. “Usually ships within 4 to 5 days”, but this isn’t a Prime/FBA product so it’s not clear if that’s just business as usual.

Edit: What the hell with downvotes on a stated fact?

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by BiasRegularizer on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:13AM (#22138394)
Interesting. I am not seeing any availability here in Sweden. Perhaps all the international shipping options are gone. Since I am not in the US, I'd have to order it to ship directly to China.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by gamblor956 on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:48PM (#22140631)
Not only were they in stock for me but I could have had them (the N95 ones without holes) delivered by the end of day today...

Going to call bullshit on the claim that they're sold out in the US.

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by thaumasiotes on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:33AM (#22138587)
For me, "Get it by February 4-5".
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by tosh on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:14AM (#22138404)
surgical masks might be more effective (usability related)

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/public-should-...

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by theseadroid on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:35AM (#22139774)
reference to your last point please?
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by erdosnew on Friday January 24, 2020 @10:36AM (#22139117)
this morning's news seems to indicate that the virus entered body via eyes according to expert. wearing mask alone probably won't be enough to prevent infection.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by koheripbal on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:12PM (#22140236)
link to claim please
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by moulei on Saturday January 25, 2020 @08:04AM (#22146068)
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3047394/chinese-expe... Wang was one of the first medical professionals to enter Wuhan.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by fspeech on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:28AM (#22145380)
It is possible to have viral infection start as conjuctivitus, which is why it is important to not rub your eyes and to wash your hands regularly.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by beamatronic on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:26AM (#22139638)
Why aren’t all the alarm bells being sounded around the world?
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by Symbiote on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:50AM (#22139961)
It's headline news in every national newspaper worldwide. What more do you expect?

(I checked five European papers from different countries, then five from African countries. It's on the homepage on all of them.)

Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by LiquidSky on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:12PM (#22141442)
New York Times, too, for the last few days. Just got an alert about a new patient in the US this morning.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by beamatronic on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:30PM (#22140435)
Well I’m honestly surprised Trump hasn’t closed all the borders yet. It seems like he finally has the excuse.
Re:China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat ... by koheripbal on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:12PM (#22140230)
Because bureaucrats can only see "confirmed" numbers, despite the obvious signs that the numbers are wrong.