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Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by NeedMoreTea on Thursday January 23, 2020 @04:39AM (#22126168)
and what prey, does a global pi-hole grid give that an actual RaspPi and pi-hole can't? What does it add?

Given they are based in Delaware, USA my starting point is far below zero privacy trust: Nextdns are gathering maximum possible data from everyone's DNS queries and selling it, or proposing to use it for advertising soon(tm). Enough independent reviewing and auditing might eventually persuade me that's unfair, maybe. If they actually cared for privacy why not incorporate in the EU and proudly wear full GDPR compliance? Or CA's upcoming privacy legislation?

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by CaptArmchair on Thursday January 23, 2020 @05:59AM (#22126502)
There privacy policy is succinct and to the point:

https://nextdns.io/privacy

> 1. We do not (and will never) sell, license, sub-license or share any of the data submitted directly or indirectly by our users with any person or entity.

Which is easily said. Whereas their pricing page tells a different story:

https://nextdns.io/pricing

> Completely free during the beta, then free up until about 300,000 DNS queries/month — $1.99/month for unlimited queries.

... which makes for a very particular business model indeed.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Which makes me wonder how they keep the lights on, and where the money comes from.

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by lozaning on Thursday January 23, 2020 @11:59AM (#22129202)
Im failing to see how the privacy and pricing pages stand in any kind of contrast to each other.

This business model is like literally every other SaaS platform that has a free tier. Would you trust them more if they had no free tier?

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by buro9 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @04:52AM (#22126216)
DNS-over-TLS is what they add.

Which is great, because then you can configure your Android to use nextdns as the private DNS provider and thus all adverts and tracking in your mobile apps and websites are covered too, even when you're away from your home network.

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by OJFord on Thursday January 23, 2020 @05:03AM (#22126264)
You can configure the same on your own PiHole, or VPN to the network it's on.

I think the value is convenience, all this is done for you, no maintenance.

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by buro9 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @05:24AM (#22126349)
My understanding is that pi-hole does not support DNS-over-TLS.

Are you saying that it does?

I've just looked and cannot find mention of it.

I know one can install stubby to achieve this, but now the convenience of nextdns is greater.

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by erikbye on Thursday January 23, 2020 @06:13AM (#22126567)
> My understanding is that pi-hole does not support DNS-over-TLS.

You have to run Unbound, as well.

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by OJFord on Thursday January 23, 2020 @04:53AM (#22126220)
Presumably it's just convenience for people that don't want to run their own.
Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by lkschubert8 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @06:12AM (#22126563)
It would work off of your network. If you are using their DNS it would work when you took your laptop to a coffee shop or when your phone switched to 4G/5G. That seems like a big benefit to me.
Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by ekianjo on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:03AM (#22126857)
If you have your DNS server its trivial to connect to it from anywhere you are.
Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by lkschubert8 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @08:58AM (#22127532)
Do most people expose their pi-hole to the internet? I didn't think that was a common thing to do.
Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by ekianjo on Saturday January 25, 2020 @06:46AM (#22145890)
No. VPN tunnel in between.
Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by franga2000 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @06:31AM (#22126674)
Reliability, speed, accessibility, ease of use, more secure defaults... Enough?

The founders appear to live in the US so a US company is a lot more convenient for them, and Delaware has some very nice benefits for companies that AFAIK don't have any privacy drawbacks. Your assumption that they "are gathering data [...] and selling it" is beyond baseless.

EU users are protected by the GDPR anyways and despite what ProtonMail etc. would like you to believe, founding your company in Switzerland or whatever does not make you magically trustworthy.

From where I see it, they deserve no more and no less initial trust than any other company.

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by NeedMoreTea on Thursday January 23, 2020 @06:46AM (#22126765)
> Reliability, speed, accessibility, ease of use, more secure defaults... Enough?

Very glib, but not helpful nor accurate. Reliability of a web service? Speed faster than local network or local VPN tunnel? Convenience appears to be the top and bottom of it from other replies.

> assumption that they "are gathering data [...] and selling it" is beyond baseless

Not at all. US freedom of information goes far beyond everyone else's and leaves the expectation that personal data is collected, shared, sold, misused and abused, and that's been the case since long before the web. Personal data that most places consider private and inappropriate to share, and often have laws for, is frequently easily available in the US.

The web just brought it further into the gutter.

Europe has had freedom of information with constraints on personal data. Data protection has been around since the mid 90s, and prior to that there were other restrictions on certain types of data collection. The discrepancy between the two approaches has been there for probably seventy years, perhaps more, and it's widening not narrowing.

Those national norms set starting point of expectations, and what each nation tends to take as axiomatic. For a typical European, for the reasons mentioned, US privacy provision and expectation starts negative. Certain industries and categories get very antsy about data going, even briefly, to the US as a consequence of that. If it's any consolation I start with the presumption every company is untrustworthy.

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by mr__y on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:31AM (#22126972)
> they deserve no more and no less initial trust than any other company

that is they deserve none. No company gets any trust from me until they prove that they deserve it.

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by franga2000 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:41AM (#22127014)
I agree, but asserting they are evil with no evidence to support that is a lot further into the negative than "no trust".
Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by mr__y on Thursday January 23, 2020 @10:44AM (#22128406)
Given numerous examples from the past this is what "no trust" equals to. I'm not advocating publicly accusing them of being evil without evidence, but assuming they are when deciding if and how to use their services is at least reasonable.

In other words in public my opinion on them is "neutral" until I have some information/data/signs to form/change my opinion, but internally I assume they are doing[0] something evil until proven otherwise.

[0] or at least assume they are capable of doing something evil and there is a non-zero chance that they will engage in evil-doing. (but again, not accusing them publicly until there are reasons to do so; I'm just describing internal thought-process)

Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by ekianjo on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:07AM (#22126872)
Believing someone's claims out of thin air does not make it trustworthy either.
Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by pergadad on Thursday January 23, 2020 @08:21AM (#22127287)
The existence of the gdpr is not enough. You'd also need to start reporting/suing those breaching the rules.
Re:“This is why I use ad blockers and a pi-hole server” by franga2000 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @09:09AM (#22127611)
True, but my point was that incorporating in Delaware doesn't prevent the GDPR from applying to you (for EU customers). It's true that taking action against a non-EU company for GDPR violations is harder, but not impossible.