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Re:Tesla races past $100B in market valuation by spydum on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @11:54AM (#22119258)
In what way? Sign updates, validate signature, and only apply when car is off and at home charging. Maybe some POST/rollback logic even possible. It's not much different than going to a dealer to get ECU flashed.
Re:Tesla races past $100B in market valuation by streb-lo on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @01:01PM (#22120150)
The update process would definitely be atomic -- you either update successfully or stay where you are. Different ways of doing this -- something like OSTree would be my first choice for automotive otherwise you're sending the full image OTA and you need enough flash for a full A/B.
Re:Tesla races past $100B in market valuation by Quarrelsome on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @12:33PM (#22119805)
In the way that it suddenly becomes technically plausible to make a certain % of vehicles turn into oncoming traffic on a Monday morning.

OR

Make every car on a particular road at a particular time, hit full speed and hit a particular target.

Cars are like crap missiles so making them potentially exploitable is a bit risky.

Re:Tesla races past $100B in market valuation by spydum on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @12:57PM (#22120087)
But even non OTA cars with lane assist and such have this same threat vector. If attacker compromise the vehicle code supply chain to introduce such a thing, whether it got loaded via OTA update or flashed by dealer when I took it in for service makes no major difference. If anything, it's more likely that OTA updates mean they can remediate REAL bugs that save lives across a vast majority of cars in record time (vs recalls and in person flashing).
Re:Tesla races past $100B in market valuation by Quarrelsome on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @01:45PM (#22120603)
over the air means automatic though. At least with dealer flashing, a poisoned chain has less impact because its slower and less broad. With a fully automated process you run the risk of it being a vector for terror attacks,

Sure the point that non-OTA (i.e. just 'software in cars') still permits more localised attacks (e.g. assassination) but OTA represents a huge honey pot of power that I would argue is an inherent danger.

I personally feel like there's a whole bunch of stuff we really shouldn't be automating and specifically attaching to auto-update until we've got a better handle on zero days as an industry.

Re:Tesla races past $100B in market valuation by spydum on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @02:12PM (#22120906)
Maybe I'm too optimistic but I think the net risk is reduced with more readily access to updates. The terrorism line just really doesn't strike me as a likely threat. Regular bug fixes and improvements to daily use are likely to save far more lives. Besides, there should be so many audit/checkpoints in front of the release chain, that scenario just seems implausible (but I do conceed that stuff can also fail or be bypassed- let's hope Tesla and other manufacturers have decent IS engineering)