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Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by 1wd on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @06:35AM (#22116611)
From a 2016 talk: "Possible some came from Cornwall though I rather doubt they went up there more than once in a blue moon. There are some tin mines in southern Turkey but not enough. The vast majority came from Afghanistan. Specifically the Badakhshan region of Afghanistan." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4&feature=youtu.be...
Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by chrisco255 on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @06:45AM (#22116684)
Is it unfeasible that the tin was traded from ancient Britain to ancient France to Ancient Greece to ancient Israel in sort of a chain rather than ships transporting them directly to Israel?
Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by leoc on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @07:18AM (#22116866)
I'm not an expert, but I think it's a given that high-value durable goods like this could change hands many times. For example, probably no-one travelled all the way with the Indian metal objects which have been found in Britain: https://www.caitlingreen.org/2014/12/indian-silver-coins-in-... .
Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by mytailorisrich on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @07:06AM (#22116799)
This over-land route was common, afaik. It may be one of the reasons the Greeks founded a colony near the Rhone delta: present day Marseille.

Avoiding this route to sail directly to Northern Europe may also be why a Greek explorer from Marseille, Pytheas [1], gave us one of the first, if not the first, direct accounts of the British Isles.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pytheas

Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by infradig on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @08:02PM (#22123827)
And Pytheas describes exactly how the tin got to the Mediterranean, at least in the 4th century BC.
Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by keiferski on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @07:19AM (#22116874)
The Amber Road is also a possibility:

From at least the 16th century BC, amber was moved from Northern Europe to the Mediterranean area.[2][3] The breast ornament of the Egyptian pharaoh Tutankhamen (c. 1333–1324 BC) contains large Baltic amber beads.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by tremon on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @07:30AM (#22116927)
Using the amber road would be quite a detour here, I imagine. That would mean that instead of crossing the channel and traveling through France and Italy, or circumnavigating the Iberian peninsula, you think it's more likely the tin traveled from Britain, across Scandinavia, then to the Baltics, and from there southwards across Eastern Europe?

Not that I have any knowledge of ancient trade routes, but to me having a trade route from Britain towards the northeast instead of southeast feels weird.

Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by keiferski on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @07:37AM (#22116975)
Yeah, I don't know much about the actual trade routes, I was more pointing out that 'stuff from northern Europe' made it to Israel / the Levant.

In any case, I don't think it's much more of a detour though, especially if we assume that it wasn't a specific journey, but a chain of multiple cultures interacting with each other. It doesn't seem implausible to me that tin went from Britain to Scandinavia then down the Amber Road, but I'm not a historian.

Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by BurningFrog on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @09:42AM (#22117893)
I assume "trade routes" are emergent things.

As in: Nobody decided "let's start a trade route from Egypt to Scandinavia!".

Far more likely, people traded with their neighbors, and market forces led to goods step by step traveling to where they were most valued.

Probably without Egyptians and Scandinavians ever having a clue the other group existed.

Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by logfromblammo on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @10:22AM (#22118263)
I buy tin in one market town and sell it for 5% more at the market town a week's journey away. Or I load up my ship with tin in one port town and sell it for 20% more at the port town a month's journey away. That tin can go quite a distance without any one captain having to load up in Penzance and do a long haul all the way to the terminal end of the Mediterranean.

But even that would have been possible, if anyone had enough knowledge of enough prices for common trade goods at enough of the ports along the way. One trip would make the owner, captain, and crew rich enough for it to be worth the risk.

Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by usrusr on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @08:05AM (#22117166)
Possible, but given the prominence of naval trade within the Mediterranean they might have been the ones running the northwestern hops as well.
Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by austincheney on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @07:56AM (#22117095)
When I was in Afghanistan the mines in Badakshan were known for the high quality lapiz lazuli and pale colored jade that were traded in shops through out the country. There is an estimated $5 trillion in mineral deposits in the region, which is the second most valuable source of largely untapped natural resources on land.
Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by kiliantics on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @10:54AM (#22118567)
I believe Afghanistan is also home to the world's largest lithium deposits, which will become increasingly valuable for renewable energy
Re:Tin Found in Israel from 3k Years Ago Comes from Cornwall by jmorse2 on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @07:51AM (#22117058)
On the other hand, Herodotus describes islands off the north/west of Europe "from which we are said to have our tin" [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassiterides