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Re:Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI compl... by Despegar on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @08:39PM (#22113744)
>Most people, including technically knowledgable users here on HN, were unaware iCloud backups have always been unencrypted.

iCloud backups are definitely encrypted. They just aren't end-to-end encrypted.

That should have been plainly obvious to any technically knowledgeable user because you don't lose your data forever when you forget your Apple ID password. Or the fact that you can see your photos through a web browser on icloud.com

Re:Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI compl... by commoner on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @12:07AM (#22114804)
> That should have been plainly obvious to any technically knowledgeable user

As you can see from this discussion, there are a lot of technically knowledgeable people who did not find this "plainly obvious". It's disingenuous to blame users for Apple's misleading marketing.

Re:Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI compl... by kmbriedis on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @12:50PM (#22120006)
One could argue if those can be called "technically knowledgeable"
Re:Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI compl... by everdrive on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @01:53PM (#22120712)
No one can be knowledgeable about all topics, which is precisely why trust is so important.
Re:Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI compl... by zeroxfe on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @01:10PM (#22120222)
It's okay for knowledgeable people to not know things.
Re:Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI compl... by hiram112 on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @11:00PM (#22114486)
Can you explain how this works? I'm assuming my IPhone itself is encrypted with my own password (or thumbprint) and that Apple could absolutely not get into it without that thumbprint.

But when you send a backup, it's decrypted, sent to Apple, and then re-encrypted with a key that Apple controls, and has nothing to do with any of the "things I personally know"? IOW, I couldn't myself decrypt my Apple backup stored on their servers?

Re:Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI compl... by Despegar on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @11:07PM (#22114524)
Apple can't comply with a law enforcement request to get into your iPhone. They can comply with anything in your iCloud Backup except for the things under End-to-end encrypted data on this page [1]. Backups are encrypted "in transit" and "at rest", but Apple retains a key. That's how they can comply with legal requests and how you can restore your data if you forget your password.

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

Re:Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI compl... by qrbLPHiKpiux on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @08:10AM (#22117200)
My computer, or theirs.

My phone, my data.

Back up my data to their computer, their control.

This is perfect plausible deniability for them.

"Hey, we gave them a secure device. But they chose to upload their data to us, and we made it clear how we handle it in our terms of service."

Which it is.

Re:Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI compl... by pingyong on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @04:37AM (#22115994)
>That should have been plainly obvious to any technically knowledgeable user because you don't lose your data forever when you forget your Apple ID password. Or the fact that you can see your photos through a web browser on icloud.com

You could build a system where there's a key stored on each of your devices, and your password also acts like a key. In that case, you could

- Lose all your devices, but unlock with password

- Forget your password, but unlock with any device

- Lose one device, but unlock with your password or any other device

Of course, most people's passwords would probably be way to weak, no matter how much time Apple spends stretching it into a key, but for people who use a decent password this would be fairly secure.