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Re:A watershed moment for protein structure prediction by irq11 on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:01PM (#22101682)
Protein structure prediction, at the current levels of precision (and I include AlphaFold here), is not useful for drug discovery.

It’s the sort of thing researchers say to get grants, but as a distant goal, not a practical reality.

For structure-based drug discovery (which isn’t even the majority of drug discovery), the details are what matter (e.g. “does this water molecule mediate a binding interaction, or do the sidechains shuffle a bit, and kick the water out?”), and these methods don’t even come close to predicting detailed interactions.

Metrics in this space are focused on “general correctness” of protein backbone conformation. Success is to achieve a kind of blurry view of the overall shape of the molecule, and drug design is trying to predict specific atomic interactions. They’re two wildly different problems.

About the best you can say is that if we had a generalizable model of physics that could predict protein structure, it might also be able to do a good job of evaluating how a small molecule binds to a protein target. But even that is a huge leap, and when you start using black-box methods like AlphaFold to specifically solve the problem of structure prediction, it’s not really clear that generalization is even possible.

There are potential practical uses in drug discovery for a method that can design a protein which takes a particular shape, but even that is pretty different from what AlphaFold actually does.

Re:A watershed moment for protein structure prediction by lucidrains on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:10PM (#22101745)
Not everyone is focused on solving folding. It's just one step of many. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41592-019-0666-6

https://github.com/yangkky/Machine-learning-for-proteins

Re:A watershed moment for protein structure prediction by irq11 on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:52PM (#22102008)
I work in the field.

There are indeed many different applications of ML to drug discovery, but AlphaFold is a niche technique, and protein structure prediction is not practically useful, in general.

Re:A watershed moment for protein structure prediction by lucidrains on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:59PM (#22102046)
I see. My point is that all these efforts are really validating deep learning as an approach for solving previously intractable biophysics problems. Science is a series of stepping stones.
Re:A watershed moment for protein structure prediction by irq11 on Monday January 20, 2020 @04:18PM (#22102172)
Yes, again, I work in the field.

There are many areas where ML is being used to advance drug discovery and other kinds of practical, difficult biophysics problems. Casual readers would do well not to get too fixated on this particular area.

Re:A watershed moment for protein structure prediction by lucidrains on Monday January 20, 2020 @04:29PM (#22102235)
Your expertise is acknowledged. We are in agreement
Re:A watershed moment for protein structure prediction by irq11 on Monday January 20, 2020 @05:18PM (#22102545)
Ha...I wasn’t repeating it to make some kind of assertion of dominance, just to explain that I’m aware of the point you’re making, and that it’s related to, but different from my own.
Re:A watershed moment for protein structure prediction by lucidrains on Monday January 20, 2020 @06:00PM (#22102776)
I see, no worries then :)