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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by Fnoord on Sunday January 19, 2020 @06:27AM (#22090818)
Those beacons can be DoSed. Consider how Hong Kong protestors avoid the face recognition with laser pens.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by bpfrh on Sunday January 19, 2020 @08:40AM (#22091365)
Yeah, but couldn't you also simply disconnect the beacons with a wirecutter?

I mean, every technical system can be shutdown and will shutdown sometimes, isn't that a inherent weakness of such a system?

if that beacon does not respond disable automation for that part?

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by Fnoord on Sunday January 19, 2020 @08:45AM (#22091384)
Sure, but I was thinking about temporary disabling (like a temporary, reversible DoS). If you can temporarily disable something, it is more difficult to find the culprit, and the impact is higher because of the surprise element. If something is permanently disabled, you fix it right away.

Just like bullying: bullying itself is annoying, but what I found annoying is the inconsistency of it. At some point, my bullies were friendly, at another point once more bullying. If it were permanently on-going and not sneaky, they'd be found out by e.g. teachers long ago already.

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by bpfrh on Sunday January 19, 2020 @09:06AM (#22091479)
Ahh, yes that would be a problem.

On the other hand, wouldn't a ddos be visible in the logs?

Logs should be checked centrally anyway, so a 30 second flood of messages should be visible.

But in the end, you are right that it will be hard to do this the right way.