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Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by dpflan on Saturday January 18, 2020 @11:12PM (#22089414)
An interesting phenomenon. Are we interested in it because it seems to be a rare and observable event that seems “magical”? Or is there a deeper search for meaning here?
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by nwrk on Saturday January 18, 2020 @11:37PM (#22089506)
Looked wikipedia. "An unusual natural phenomenon, ice disks occur in slowly moving water in cold climates and can vary in size, with circles more than 15 metres (49 ft) in diameter..."

There has been few more of them around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_circle

Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by _bxg1 on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:06AM (#22089588)
The near-perfection of the circular shape is what really makes it stand out. It's strange to see such regularity in natural phenomenons.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by thisisastopsign on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:40AM (#22089678)
Not really. Nature is full of beautiful symmetry
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by stoops on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:44AM (#22089691)
Not that large
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by cgriswald on Sunday January 19, 2020 @01:24AM (#22089794)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn's_hexagon

> Saturn's hexagon is a persisting hexagonal cloud pattern around the north pole of the planet Saturn, located at about 78°N.[1][2][3] The sides of the hexagon are about 14,500 km (9,000 mi) long,[4][5][6][7] which is more than the diameter of Earth[8] (about 12,700 km (7,900 mi).

Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by codetrotter on Sunday January 19, 2020 @04:02AM (#22090294)
Why do the two photos at the top of that article look so weird? They look like 3D renders almost. Is that what it actually looks like to the eye too, if one looked at Saturn from a spacecraft orbiting around it?
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by yorwba on Sunday January 19, 2020 @04:28AM (#22090387)
They look like bad 3D renders because there are no walls and no sky in space, so all the light comes directly from the sun and shadows are absolutely black. The image looks different than with the naked eye though, because they filtered certain wavelengths. https://www.nasa.gov/jpl/cassini/pia18274
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by est31 on Sunday January 19, 2020 @11:39AM (#22092289)
The question is legitimate though as sometimes we do get 3D renders, e.g. when it comes to this image of the Korolev crater on Mars: https://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/im...

They even added the fog (the fog in the picture is white and while there is dust on mars it's rather brown as the planet's surface https://mars.nasa.gov/imgs/mep/weather/PIA22520-600.jpg ).

Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by mkl on Sunday January 19, 2020 @04:28AM (#22090389)
Shadows in space are often very high contrast, as there's no ambient light. Simple 3D renderers don't handle ambient light either, as simulating it can be very computationally expensive (instead of e.g. one light source, pretty much everything in the scene acts as a light source with the light it reflects). These images in particular are also in near-infrared, so they may look a little different to colour images of Saturn you've seen.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by frandroid on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:01PM (#22093607)
Let me go edit that config file...
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by 40four on Sunday January 19, 2020 @01:08AM (#22089747)
I don’t know the earth is pretty big :) It is a near perfect circle, as are all the other planets & moons we observe. Maybe the rings of Saturn?

Just kidding around really, but I have to imagine that pockets of circular water currents like this, are more common than we would think.

We just can’t easily observe the dynamics of water flow until something like this happens, where a bunch of ice builds up and makes it obvious.

Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by danwills on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:49AM (#22090049)
A near-perfect sphere? sure! Only looks-like-a-circle from some distant projection.

Vortices in a near-2d-flow like a river will absolutely be circular, vortices need to be coherent in some plane in order to sustain themselves.

The specific circumstances here must be that that the water is on the edge of freezing during downstream flow and there is a naturally-very-long-lived vortex in one region for it to initially form the ice-disc. Must also be followed by some very-gently-bounceing-off-the-edges, and the river never getting too thin for it to get stuck.

Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by ergothus on Sunday January 19, 2020 @01:24AM (#22089793)
The earth is pretty lumpy, what with mountains and oceans, and the earth is where I learned the term "oblate spheroid".
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by Talanes on Sunday January 19, 2020 @01:50AM (#22089868)
Less lumpy than a billiard ball. The mountains and trenches only seem significant because the whole thing is so big. Totally not a perfect sphere though, yeah.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by scbrg on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:12AM (#22090131)
> Less lumpy than a billiard ball.

Well, no: https://ourplnt.com/earth-smooth-billiard-ball/

The myth is springs from the fact that if you had a smooth earth with a radius of center to Mariana Trench, and another smooth earth with a radius of center to Mt. Everest, you could shrink both of them by the same factor and fall within allowed billiard ball specifications. That says nothing about smoothness, only about the allowed size of ball.

If you actually shrunk the earth we're living on, the ball would still be rejected as quite too rough.

Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by djmips on Sunday January 19, 2020 @08:08AM (#22091236)
If you shrunk the earth down to the size of a billiard ball and the imperfections where only as rough as the bumps in medium sandpaper then that's still pretty darn round even if it wouldn't be acceptable under official billiard ball specifications. I never could get behind the idea that it would be smooth as a billiard ball but to know you could feel the ridges is pretty neat and yet it's very very round.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by fctorial on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:30AM (#22089991)
Earth is a disk?
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by imron on Sunday January 19, 2020 @04:32AM (#22090402)
On the back of 4 elephants, then it's turtles all the way down.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by saalweachter on Sunday January 19, 2020 @07:35AM (#22091099)
One turtle, and everyone is very worried about the order a second would be added in.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by _bxg1 on Sunday January 19, 2020 @10:57AM (#22092050)
I think what you mean is "not that medium". You can find this sort of shape at the astronomic and the microscopic scales, just not usually at human scale.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by fctorial on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:30AM (#22089988)
Milky way?
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by JoBrad on Sunday January 19, 2020 @09:33AM (#22091602)
It’s kind of difficult for any human to observe the circular shape of the Milky Way.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by danwills on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:29AM (#22089985)
Agreed (though circle is pretty common, but,) has anyone ever seen any trace of a mandelbrot-shaped feature anywhere in nature? (I mean the whole set, not just seahorses/etc) I'm on the hunt!
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by aasasd on Sunday January 19, 2020 @06:50AM (#22090895)
If you aren't looking for Mandelbrot specifically, Romanesco broccoli is the most fractal-y plant I know.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by _bxg1 on Sunday January 19, 2020 @10:58AM (#22092061)
The actual Mandelbrot is a very specific and complex mathematical pattern; I'd be very surprised to see it. But fractals in general are everywhere.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by itronitron on Sunday January 19, 2020 @11:33AM (#22092257)
ferns, palms, and sunflowers are good places to start
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by agumonkey on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:20AM (#22089626)
maybe it's a ~logical result of taking the limit of a fractal ?
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by danwills on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:31AM (#22089992)
A circle/sphere/etc is a special fractal where the curvature is the same across all scales.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by drdeca on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:46PM (#22093524)
A circle (similarly a sphere) has an integer dimension, not a fractional one.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by aasasd on Sunday January 19, 2020 @07:01AM (#22090937)
It's very neat.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by ftvy on Saturday January 18, 2020 @11:29PM (#22089485)
I am certain that someone would have noticed this happening before. Maybe it is a symptom of climate change. Instead of ice being dammed up earlier in the river, it moves further down and freezes in the currents.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by mkl on Sunday January 19, 2020 @04:37AM (#22090427)
Ice circles are uncommon, but many people have noticed them before, going back a long time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_circle

What's different about the modern day is that there are 1. way more people to look, 2. way more cameras to record, 3. the internet to disseminate any unusual thing widely.

Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by spritecranberry on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:18AM (#22089621)
This sort of speculation harms the argument for climate change more than it helps it. To convince others, it's better to build a case on scientific fact and large-scale issues than one specific interest of a likely-natural oddity.
Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by bnegreve on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:48AM (#22090043)
You're being unfair. Speculation is how you create new hypothesis and it is perfectly ok as long as you don't confuse your hypothesis with a theory. (which GP did not)

This particular hypothesis seems to be invalidated by the fact that the phenomenon was observed before, back in 1895. See the wikipedia link in comment above.

Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by bnegreve on Sunday January 19, 2020 @09:20AM (#22091543)
As a response to whoever thinks ftvy was arming HN community by doing unreasonable speculation (and downvoted both our comments), let me quote the first, most upvoted comment on another thread, currently on the main page.

> I agree in part in that I am skeptical that full self-driving cars will happen in the next few years, but he is completely wrong when it comes to the long term. Not only will the tech get as good as humans, but most forget to account for the fact that the environment will meet the cars part way. [..]

As you can see, speculation is well accepted in the HN community. This is why I think spritecranberry's comment was unfair.

Full thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22085756

Re:Maine's giant spinning ice disc looks like it's reforming by ftvy on Sunday January 19, 2020 @01:12AM (#22089756)
It's an observation, not a statement of fact.

>large-scale issues

Oh, so since this is an isolated phenomenon that it is your preference to ignore this as evidence for your cause because it doesn't meet your criteria. That's not science either.

>This sort of speculation harms the argument for climate change more than it helps it.

What? Do you get mad at people for saying "it looks like rain"?