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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by naravara on Saturday January 18, 2020 @08:55PM (#22088822)
Yeah. For the cost of all this retrofitting of roads, you’d be able to build the most insanely comprehensive transit system anyone has ever heard of.

FWIW though, it probably is possible to use this sort of technology for buses and shuttles. You can’t fix markings on ALL the roads, but you can make sure the markings are good enough on main arterials to have a dedicated bus lane.

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by wozniacki on Sunday January 19, 2020 @06:02PM (#22094757)
For the love of everything holy, some of us just dont want public transit - especially having seen the horrors of most public transit options even in the best managed nations and conditions.

From one of my previous comments on a different post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19638171

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Reducing the number of cars (and therefore traffic) on the roads will benefit everybody You seem to have a rose-tinted view of the world we live in.

  Have you ever had to commute in less-than-ideal 
  conditions?
  Heavy snow? Sleet? Black ice?
  Have you ever lived in places that are not
  perfectly flat? or lived in places that 
  are hot that make bicycling unfeasible?
  Did you have sporting gear / work gear that
  you had to lug? Did you know some people have
  to fetch their own gear to work
  Did you have to take calls during transit?
  Did you know its common practice for employees
  to call into meetings during their commute and/or
  help assist operations via conference calls?
  Have you had to shop for more than a baguette
  or a bagel at a store? You know how cumbersome
  that gets for even a family of three?
  Do you have the slightest clue how much casual 
  violence and crime happen on public transit?[1]
 
Not to belabor the point but there simply are dozens of cases where bicycles or public transit just don't cut it. Not to mention the hygiene, personal safety (from other passengers for example) and personal space aspects involved in someone choosing a mode of transportation other than public transit or bicycling. Ride-sharing, autonomous vehicles and emission-free vehicles should all alleviate the issues we currently face with traffic, parking and accidents.

However doing away with cars or vehicular traffic is just pollyannaish madness.

[1]

Teen robbed at gunpoint at Fruitvale, BART officer says writing a report is a 'waste of resources'

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/bart-police-refuse-repo...

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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by naravara on Monday January 20, 2020 @08:49AM (#22098745)
> Ride-sharing, autonomous vehicles and emission-free vehicles should all alleviate the issues we currently face with traffic, parking and accidents.

No they won’t. This is just willful self-delusion on the part of transit haters.

Most of your concerns are either just plain petty (like, just wear headphones if you don’t like hearing other people) or lacking in perspective (cars kill way more people than whatever safety concerns on a transit system you want to gussy up).

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by supertrope on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:09PM (#22092470)
A lot of tech solutions to transportation problems are reinventing elements of mass transit. Self-driving trucks that are virtually linked like a train. Telling Uber pool rides to walk to the nearest intersection to optimize routes (like a bus stop). Central scheduling to share right of way timeslots between vehicles. Or tech fails to reinvent the wheel, e.g. assuming that the congestion and parking issues caused by too many single occupancy vehicles can be solved with software instead of dynamic road and parking pricing and high occupancy vehicles.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by naravara on Monday January 20, 2020 @02:30PM (#22101434)
>A lot of tech solutions to transportation problems are reinventing elements of mass transit.

For sure. And I feel like they're going about it backwards by defaulting to maintaining norms of private property and leasing things starting with private/personally owned property and developing ways to lease it to for communal use.

They'd probably have a more viable business model if they had started with communal property and charged rent or usage fees for maintenance instead. Jitney cabs or dollar vans have been around forever, and their big challenge was figuring out how to do dispatch and routing in a way that didn't give people intolerably long wait times.