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Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by baybal2 on Saturday January 18, 2020 @08:14PM (#22088653)
"United States have no geopolitical strategy, but a lot of self proclaimed geopolitical strategists."

I once have heard this position from US ambassador in Kazakhstan on a private reception event.

The guy told people he expected a visit to a *stan country to be like a visit to a warzone.

He was learning martial arts, hostage negotiation, and been mentored by multiple self proclaimed experts on "warlord politics" of the region.

There was no end to his disappointment when he came to understanding that all that geopolitical BS he learned was for nothing, and he came to station the most boring post-Soviet hillbilly town.

I think most Americans, even the most educated ones tend to greatly overthink "geopolitical conspiracies"

Ex-USSR fiefdoms, Russia included, are ran by very simple people, without any geopolitical ambitions.

For them, blackmailing Germany and other wealth nations in Europe by threatening to close the tap has no political story to it at all, just plainly a way to extort some extra bucks, and show the world how big their balls are.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by linkregister on Saturday January 18, 2020 @08:24PM (#22088694)
> Ex-USSR fiefdoms, Russia included, are ran by very simple people, without any geopolitical ambitions.

The people of Georgia, Crimea, and the rest of Ukraine would beg to differ.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by texasbigdata on Saturday January 18, 2020 @08:32PM (#22088722)
Go back another 60 to 70 years and a few more would too.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by vbezhenar on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:28AM (#22090192)
Russia feels that Crimea and eastern Ukraine is actually part of Russia. It was separated at paper, but it wasn't separated in souls. So you can expect further conquests of Ukraine parts, until there's no more people in the remaining Ukraine parts who identify themselves as part of Russian culture. And probably those who remain will just be conquered by Poland and that's about it.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by anticodon on Sunday January 19, 2020 @05:46AM (#22090668)
Actually, people of Crimea are happy to be part of the US. But I guess you will never learn this from Western mass media.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by EliRivers on Sunday January 19, 2020 @06:13AM (#22090763)
Actually, people of Crimea are happy to be part of the US.

This is either a typo or some next-level tinfoil hattery...

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by anticodon on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:40AM (#22096586)
Yes, it was a typo. I meant to say Russia.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by d0mine on Saturday January 18, 2020 @11:46PM (#22089525)
Which of the following statements are true:

- Crimea became part of Russia before Texas became part of US

- Crimea became part of Russia before (around the time) US independence

- Kievan Rus' is older than Aztec Empire

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by brnt on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:25AM (#22089967)
Ah, I like this game!

- Before the US, the colonies were English, French, Dutch, Swedish, etc.

- Before the colonies, it was of course Native American land.

- Before the Anglosaxons, Britain was Celtic.

- Kievans are much older than Russians. Russia was created by a few Swedes forking the local Slav tribes.

- Before Moscow, there were Poles Bulgarians and Mongols.

Shall we go on?

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by d0mine on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:48AM (#22090044)
that is the point.

Should British demand their colonies back?

Should Indians demand their land?

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by HenryBemis on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:36AM (#22090013)
Heh, I cannot Reply to brnt's post so I am using 1 lvl higher. My favourite examples are ancient Greece, Rome, ancient Mongolia, etc. Cherry picking moments in time to redefine borders is dangerous to say the least. Give the Italians half Europe and Near East? Give Greece everything from South Italy (Magna Grecian) all the way to Afghanistan?

Crimea was part of Russia, true. Give Italy what it had first and then we will give Crimea to Russia (and let's have a WW3 and all be dead me give the planet the break it deserves (from human stupidity))

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by d0mine on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:11AM (#22090123)
How many people speak Greek in Crimea? How many are native Russian speakers?
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by hkt on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:39AM (#22090227)
People speaking a language is not a useful way of choosing your borders. Otherwise most of Latin America can revert to Spanish control, the US can be annexed by the UK, countries like Morocco can be colonies of the French again. The fact is that spreading your language is a basic element of empire building. The fact that Crimea, Ukraine etc have so many Russian speakers reflects their past.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by mamon on Sunday January 19, 2020 @05:03AM (#22090514)
I think what GP meant is that majority of people in Crimea self-identify as Russians, not Ukrainians - 68%, according to Wikipedia [1]

Similar thing can be said about disputed teritorries in the east, around Donbas.

Of course that's still not the excuse for what Russia did, taking both places by force, however, this makes fixing this more complicated.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#Demographics

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by lgats on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:23PM (#22092564)
Ethically identifying as Russian is certainly not equivalent to identifying as a Russian.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by thatcat on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:29AM (#22090194)
So, people speak English many places and the UK doesn't have any right to control those areas.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by d0mine on Sunday January 19, 2020 @08:16AM (#22091276)
Look at the context (Crimea, 2020). If we are choosing between ancient greeks and russians then the language/culture/identity of the people should matter.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by HenryBemis on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:55PM (#22092758)
This is not about Ancient Greece/Rome/Russia/etc. My comment was: you cannot cherry pick which moment in History, a country's borders are convenient to you. I remember talking to a colleague from Poland that was proud that X centuries ago, Poland (or whatever the country/nation was called at the time had conquered big parts of then-Russia, even conquered Moscow. If we all think like that then a WW3 (Romans, Nazis, Mongols, etc.) is certain.

Let's stick to the borders we got, and in the future let's rener them useless (e.g. European Union).

I believe in a Star Trek society. Not "we kicked butts back then so let's get back those lands".

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by d0mine on Monday January 20, 2020 @05:18AM (#22097807)
According to you, the East and West Germany shouldn't have merged to "stick to the borders we got"
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by baybal2 on Saturday January 18, 2020 @08:47PM (#22088786)
How to say... Russians invasions are acts of war, squarely and simple, but they do so without any tinfoil "geopolitical conspiracy" in mind.

There is no bigger "grand plan" to them than to an 8th century Viking raid: more subjects, loot, and territories to use to stage further invasions.

Danes cared more for how tasty the British were, before they started to care about the British throne and court politics in the bigger Post-Roman world.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by anticodon on Sunday January 19, 2020 @05:52AM (#22090694)
LOL, please, show any country looted by Russia. Even during Soviet times most of Russia GDP was spent to raise quality of life in republics, especially Baltic republics.

And now Russia spend enormous amount of money to develop Crimea. Where's the looting?

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by Thorrez on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:59AM (#22090085)
> more subjects, loot, and territories to use to stage further invasions.

That sounds like a geopolitical ambition to me.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by eru on Saturday January 18, 2020 @11:18PM (#22089437)
The conquest of Crimea was probably more about providing a distraction for domestic audiences than anything else?
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by wanderer2323 on Saturday January 18, 2020 @11:31PM (#22089492)
The "conquest" of Crimea was a response to an implied threat to a natural gas trade with Europe in the followup of a western-sponsored coup.

(to be even more specic, Crimean events were mostly about regaining the control of the Black Sea Fleet naval base, while Donbass events were about reacting to a hostile coup, but the two things are closely related)

It was also an object lesson to all the minor powers in the region: you cannot take US money to have a small victorious colour revolution anymore. Not in Russia's backyard.

edit: oh wow downvotes, I am so surprised /s

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by dang on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:31PM (#22093837)
Please don't go on about downvotes. It's against the site guidelines, is tedious, and usually turns out to be wrong. In the end your post got almost no downvotes relative to upvotes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by HenryBemis on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:39AM (#22090020)
I think it was the approach that a former ally (Ukraine) would open up the door to NATO/USA and Russia didn't like having a USA naval base right on its doorstep, and losing control of the Black Sea. There may already be USA'S military bases nearby (Romania, Bulgaria, etc) but not THAT close.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by AsyncAwait on Sunday January 19, 2020 @07:14AM (#22090986)
> Ex-USSR fiefdoms, Russia included, are ran by very simple people, without any geopolitical ambitions.

Which is in stark contradiction to the sophisticated goals of the West to control as much of the world's market as possible in order for mega multinationals to be able to exploit cheap labor and maintain their insane margins, so that they're able to pay their executives an ex-politicians millions of dollars per year.

Very unlike the goals of Russian oligarchs indeed and much more sophisticated.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by dTal on Sunday January 19, 2020 @09:52AM (#22091695)
I have no idea whether this comment is meant sarcastically or not.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by rad_gruchalski on Sunday January 19, 2020 @07:40PM (#22095262)
It’s probably not sarcasm. In many places this sentiment is prevalent. Introduce „freedom” and „democracy” to create „free market” and seed „capitalism”.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by akudha on Saturday January 18, 2020 @09:21PM (#22088930)
Every time I watch some "expert" on TV taking about some country, I think one thing - does this person have any real experience with the topic he/she is taking about? Have they visited the country they are dissing on TV, even once? Most of these so called experts are paid too.

This is not just faux news either, the experts are on all channels. No wonder the public has low trust of news these days.

Sucks to know that even a person who is such a high ranking official like an ambassador gets such shitty advice.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by AsyncAwait on Sunday January 19, 2020 @07:17AM (#22090999)
Brings back memories of U.S. soldiers being handed books about Arabs that were clearly orientalist and did not at all contribute to a real, unbiased understanding of Iraq, their culture etc.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by mc32 on Saturday January 18, 2020 @10:53PM (#22089339)
It’s worse that that even. Lots of people who have experience and “know” are selling their opinion (trying to influence) to the audience. So often it’s their half of s story.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by pts_ on Sunday January 19, 2020 @02:36AM (#22090010)
We would be better served by analysing ourselves than following the pack leader like unevolved wolves.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by geoka9 on Saturday January 18, 2020 @08:38PM (#22088745)
> For them, blackmailing Germany and other wealth nations in Europe by threatening to close the tap has no political story to it at all, just plainly a way to extort some extra bucks

As a counter-example (one of many), Russia has been for a long time losing money by subsidizing Belarusian economy with cheap oil.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by DSingularity on Sunday January 19, 2020 @04:57AM (#22090490)
To what ends?
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by hopia on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:26AM (#22090186)
Didn't we go through the whole Cold War because of the conflicts in geopolitical interests between the West and the USSR states?

Today's Russia seems more assertive again with their geopolitical interests.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by phs318u on Sunday January 19, 2020 @01:19AM (#22089781)
> Ex-USSR fiefdoms, Russia included, are ran by very simple people, without any geopolitical ambitions.

Are you sure about that?

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/1990s-manifesto-outlini...

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by baybal2 on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:35AM (#22090210)
I heard and read the text, that's an "elders of zion" level tinfoil.

If readers are ok cherry picking from his work, and go on, they should also argue his points that there be a stealthy Russian amphibious landing on US soil, and Russian agents flooding US with "psychotronic agent" to steer US elections...

The guy just puts a shopping list of all obvious nasty things that could happen to the West, and call it a strategy. Few things from that coming true, does not mean them acting on this as a guiding policy.

Continuing the parallel with Danish: yes, Vikings main interest with British Islands was loot and plunder, but they were not dumb to the level where they make invading the British harder for themselves. When given a chance, they would thoroughly mess up British political arrangements with all means available to them.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by rad_gruchalski on Sunday January 19, 2020 @07:47PM (#22095281)
> For them, blackmailing Germany and other wealth nations in Europe by threatening to close the tap has no political story to it at all, just plainly a way to extort some extra bucks, and show the world how big their balls are.

Not sure how this benefits Russia. Each country has stategic reserves. Gas / oil is the only thing Russia can sell to the Western Europe in order to finance their own system. Russians have to sell it. Blackmailing countries is not in their business.