1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

Re:1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in Englis... by asynchronous13 on Friday February 11, 2011 @04:08PM (#2208138)

<em>A success by what metric?</em>

how about global market share?

2008: 52.4% of smartphones (RIM 17%, Apple 10%) [1]

2009: 47.2% of smartphones (RIM 21%, Apple 15%) [1]

Android came in at 0.5% and 5% for those two years.

Gartner forecasts that Symbian will remain in the number one smartphone OS position until 2014 when it is contested by Android [2]

Sure, it's in decline now, but it's been a phenomenal success.

[1] http://www.canalys.com/pr/2010/r2010021.html

[2] http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1434613

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Re:1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in Englis... by kkowalczyk on Friday February 11, 2011 @05:02PM (#2208340)

Comparing market share of Symbian devices to iPhone or Android is like comparing market share of bicycles to market share of cars.

Symbian OS has several version. The version that ships in volume powers devices like Nokia C1-01 http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdeta... or worse. It's not the same product as iPhone or Android or even the old Palm OS shipped on Treo.

The share of Symbian OS devices shipping a version comparable to iPhone or Android is a blip on the radar. A drop in the ocean. And a peasant among Kings.

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Re:1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in Englis... by pavlov on Friday February 11, 2011 @05:26PM (#2208425)

No, that's a misunderstanding. The C1 and its ilk are not Symbian devices.

Most of Nokia's cheap phones are on the Series 40 platform, which is a closed "non-smart" OS (that has nevertheless grown some fairly smart features recently, like QWERTY keyboards and a HTML browser).

Symbian by Nokia comes in three flavours:

- Symbian^3, the latest and greatest -- e.g. the E7: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/E7-...

- Symbian^1, the previous touchscreen Symbian version (a.k.a. S60 5th Edition): http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/C5-...

- Symbian S60 3rd Edition, still used on keyboard devices: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/E72

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Re:1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in Englis... by niels_olson on Friday February 11, 2011 @05:04PM (#2208349)

>by what metric?

sign of the first derivative.

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Re:1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in Englis... by alderssc on Friday February 11, 2011 @05:37PM (#2208465)

I think integrating would be better, because it seems wrong to judge a products "success" only at some specific instant of time, rather than judging it over a full period of time.

The sign of the first derivative only gives you the present rate of adoption/abandonment of the platform, while integrating gives you a measure of success over the platform's entire existence.

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Re:1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in Englis... by niels_olson on Saturday February 12, 2011 @07:20PM (#2211609)

I was just answering his question. Thank you for defining the opposing view quantitatively. I have never used a nokia phone, but certainly I would count myself a success if I had area under the curve like that.

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Re:1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in Englis... by varjag on Friday February 11, 2011 @05:27PM (#2208427)

At which point on the curve?

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Re:1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in Englis... by niels_olson on Saturday February 12, 2011 @07:18PM (#2211597)

the window defined by his data points

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