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Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by mrtksn on Friday January 17, 2020 @01:42PM (#22077719)
They also have a referral program that turned DigitalOcean to free hosting for me. A few years ago I got annoyed with something, wrote an article about how to fix it using a DO instance, linked to DO with my referral code and racked up thousands of $ in a payout. I used most when experimenting and feeling too lazy to shut down instances(because I didn't want to go through backup since maybe I will use it later etc).

For 6-7 years now I'm using DO for free but my only resource-intensive instance is a personal VPN server that I use from time to time(a few hours a day maybe?).

At first, DO use to give referral payouts in cash, then they limited the payouts to credits, then changed the structure and introduced expiration date to these credits.

I would guess that this referral program that probably helped them a lot with the growth at first is now a burden.

Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by iudqnolq on Friday January 17, 2020 @02:41PM (#22078376)
I don't quite understand the economics of referral programs. I'm dealing with levels of customer support to get signed up for a $120/paying signup referral program (cash not credits).

I don't understand

a) How does this possibly make them money?

b) If they want signups that much, why is the flow for joining the referral program so buggy?

(It's Mailgun, btw)

Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by jjeaff on Friday January 17, 2020 @03:25PM (#22078824)
Simple, there is a lifetime value for a customer. As long as the referral payout doesn't exceed the lifetime value, it should be profitable.

Although some undoubtedly pay more than the lifetime value of a customer as a "growth hack". This of course can't go on forever.

Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by iudqnolq on Friday January 17, 2020 @03:58PM (#22079227)
My point was it seems insane to me that the lifetime value of a customer who has billed something to a credit card would be over $120, especially in the space of Email as a Service. I would guess (without any knowledge) that it'd actually be closer to $12 because of all the people who try it out and then never continue.

They take in less than the referral payout in revenue for a customer who sends tens of thousands of emails a year for five years based on their pricing page.

Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by robryan on Friday January 17, 2020 @04:30PM (#22079573)
The big customers are probably so big that it makes the whole thing worth it.
Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by WrtCdEvrydy on Friday January 17, 2020 @03:21PM (#22078796)
a) You make money on people building large architecture on it, and running out of credits and relying on laziness to move it somewhere else.

b) Because as long as some signups happen, noone is testing it.

Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by iudqnolq on Friday January 17, 2020 @03:24PM (#22078822)
> a) You make money on people building large architecture on it, and running out of credits and relying on laziness to move it somewhere else.

My interpretation of their marketing pages is that they pay out referral payments in cash (actually SWIFT, but...) once a signup has something charged to their credit cards. So they can't rely on unused credits. And they lose money on every referred signup that makes them less than $120 in profit.

This seems insane to me, because someone sending tens of thousands of emails to hundreds of people a year gets them less than half that in revenue.

Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by zhte415 on Friday January 17, 2020 @09:52PM (#22081897)
I did similar with Dreamhost back in the day, linking through comments and my signature. Great cheap advertising for a high karma to be recommending you, and I was using them.
Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by alexellisuk on Friday January 17, 2020 @02:42PM (#22078379)
I have a lot of content on DO, and a few hundred referrals but most are pending, devs aren't even spending enough to trigger a payout.
Re:DigitalOcean is laying off staff by mrtksn on Friday January 17, 2020 @02:56PM (#22078525)
I have about 2K paid out, over 10K pending. My referrals are mostly techies but not necessarily developers.

IMHO referrals work amazing when people you refer mostly want this problem to go away and it's not their primary occupation.