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Re:U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years by kccqzy on Friday January 17, 2020 @12:19PM (#22076730)
Definitely no. The popularity of 401k plans and as such makes the fortunes of many middle class Americans directly tied to gyrations of Wall Street.
Re:U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years by brewdad on Friday January 17, 2020 @12:37PM (#22076979)
The median 401k balance for 40-49 year olds is $36,000 [0]. These are adults who, for the most part, have never had access to pensions, only to 401k plans. They are about midway between entering the workforce and retirement. They, as a group, are nowhere near prepared to retire. Ever.

A booming stock market is irrelevant to most Americans.

[0]: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/investing/the-average-401...

Re:U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years by kevstev on Friday January 17, 2020 @01:21PM (#22077500)
This gets thrown around a bunch in personal finance forums as well, but its a bit dishonest IMHO- it saying that the avg balance for a 401k account is 36k, not that the average balance across all 401ks account for an individual is 36k. Considering the typical tenure these days is around 2-3 years, this makes sense. Most people it seems don't really consolidate their 401ks.

That article also says that the average isn't a useful measure, but I feel it likely is more useful than stated as everyone has a capped contribution amount. There are some outlying scenarios where you can contribute more, but those are far from typical.

It seems there are a bunch of ways to fudge these numbers- I have a roth and a standard 401k- these are likely counted as 2 separate accounts, thus painting a much bleaker picture of my overall financial health.

Re:U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years by auiya on Friday January 17, 2020 @12:37PM (#22076972)
More than one-third of Americans who work full-time have no access to pensions or retirement accounts such as 401(k)s that derive their value from financial assets like stocks and bonds. The percentage of workers covered by generous defined-benefit pension plans has declined from 62% in 1983 to 17% by 2016. While some economists consider an increase in the stock market to have a "wealth effect" that increases economic growth, economists like Former Dallas Federal Reserve Bank President Richard Fisher believe those effects are limited. Make no mistake the stock market only benefits the upper class, and quite disproportionately so.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/22/opinion/bull-stock-market...

Re:U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years by asdff on Friday January 17, 2020 @02:07PM (#22077996)
Only if you are 60 and about to retire does this matter. Not like a 20-50 year old will tap into their 401k, and not like they have too much saved in these funds to begin with. Most of the middle class with retirement plans will ride this out like they did the last recession and every one before that. They might have to hold off on buying a new car for a year or three, but they will be fine when the business cycle rights itself again.

The people working 60 hour weeks comprised of 3 part time jobs that refuse to pay out full time hours and benefits just to share a bedroom in south LA while accumulating zero savings? These people are about to experience real pain, and news coverage and forums like HN generally have no concept of the working class.