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Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by gamblor956 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @07:32PM (#22070642)
Musk never learned that most of the cost of subways is the stations and supporting infrastructure, not digging the tunnel itself.

Musk has not proposed any improvements to the expensive parts of tunneling.

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by ryantgtg on Thursday January 16, 2020 @07:41PM (#22070702)
Most of the costs are also emergency systems, such as ventilation and frequent exits. From what I've seen (I'm not an engineer or a tunnel expert), his tunnels do not account for these things. The standards, which cost a lot to meet, are there for a reason.
Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by aeharding on Thursday January 16, 2020 @07:55PM (#22070787)
What I am skeptical about is putting large car batteries in tunnels, which store enormous amounts of energy that could potentially be released in combustion and need be managed by adequate ventilation and fire suppression systems.

Versus an electric train. Theoretically, since the energy is transported into the tunnel via power lines, wouldn’t fire suppression and ventilation systems be cheaper since they wouldn’t need to handle so much stored energy potential (via batteries) traveling through a tunnel?

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by ryantgtg on Friday January 17, 2020 @03:59PM (#22079239)
Yes, seems like it. An engineer acquaintance who builds subway tunnels says that they put in emergency exits every X feet, so that emergency-exiting people never have to walk more than a certain distance before they have a chance to make it to ground level. And in the case of an emergency, massive ventilation fans kick in (that are otherwise dormant). So, from what he's told me, the costs are less in suppression than in providing safe exit opportunities.
Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by spectrum1234 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @11:21PM (#22071824)
This is completely wrong. The biggest costs to tunnels is bureaucracy.

Simply using private funds without numerous contractors can decreases costs by an order of magnitude with no technological improvements.

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by asdff on Friday January 17, 2020 @01:48AM (#22072445)
Simply using public funds to employ a workforce rather than contract one would save the most money due to eliminating the need to house and feed shareholders and turn a profit, but voters seem to like the contractor profiteering model even if it eats the public purse.

NYC only has a big subway system because it gobbled up all the failing private railways over the years. LA used to have the largest rail transportation network in the world, it was private, and it too failed to turn a profit and failed. Transportation runs at a loss.

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by hurricanetc on Friday January 17, 2020 @06:00AM (#22073638)
Using public funds to employ a workforce is basically “How to Bloat 101.” The MTA in NYC is a shining example of taxpayer waste. They call it “Money Thrown Away” for a reason.
Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by gamblor956 on Friday January 17, 2020 @02:20PM (#22078139)
The biggest costs to tunnels is bureaucracy.

This is false. The biggest cost to tunnels is moving and replacing utility lines (power, internet, sewage, water, etc.) that were not properly recorded by private entities when they constructed their buildings.

It's precisely where government bureaucracy was involved that tunneling is the cheapest, because then moving and replacing the utility lines can happen all at once instead of over the course of months as the tunneling machine bores into them, and bureaucracy can coordinate road closures, utility shutoffs, etc.

Also, private entities use subcontractors not because bureaucracy requires it but because it lets them delegate out responsibility for areas in which they do not have competence for less than the cost of developing such competence in-house. It's simply the way the construction industry works. Even Joe Blow Contractor rebuilding someone's bathroom will hire contractors to do specific parts of the rebuild (like the plumbing, or the tiles). Another example: the SoFi Stadium in Inglewood has hundreds of subcontractors, and is fully privately funded.

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by modo_mario on Friday January 17, 2020 @01:05AM (#22072302)
Well sucks that it relies heftily on public funds then.
Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by jejeyyy77 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @08:31PM (#22071024)
Lol reading the comments in this sub show how clueless the general population is. Probably the same people that said Tesla was vaporware.

To answer your question: He’s not building subway tunnels. It’s tunnels for Tesla vehicles.

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by nonanonymous on Thursday January 16, 2020 @08:35PM (#22071044)
That doesn't exactly improve the ROI.
Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by thedrbrian on Thursday January 16, 2020 @08:49PM (#22071121)
It makes it a lot worse. You can fit a load of people on a subway train versus a model s or x
Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by pjkundert on Thursday January 16, 2020 @09:47PM (#22071414)
You’ve got the wrong perspective.

From the perspective of the city, the ROI of a subway train is high.

From the perspective of an individual, the ROI of using my own car in a tunnel, exactly when I want to, without parking, waiting, embarking, smelling the vagrants, disembarking, walking or getting a cab, ... Priceless!

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by bluGill on Thursday January 16, 2020 @11:43PM (#22071917)
From the perspective of an individual, the ROI of using my own car ON a FREEWAY, exactly when I want to, without parking, waiting, embarking, smelling the vagrants, disembarking, walking or getting a cab, ... Priceless!

My corrections in CAPS.

I don't think I need to say more, it should be obvious way tunnels for cars are a bad idea.

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by mc3 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @10:57PM (#22071715)
But... the city is you! Without the trains that's more cars in your way when you drive your car.
Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by jellicle on Thursday January 16, 2020 @11:02PM (#22071735)
> exactly when I want to

What about everyone else and their cars?

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by modo_mario on Friday January 17, 2020 @01:15AM (#22072344)
>Priceless!

Weird then that he didn't ask the individual to pay for it.

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by pjkundert on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:29AM (#22074410)
Hey, everyone — I (fairly) accurately expressed the points of view of some participants in this equation. Why are you spanking me for that? Or... were you looking for an echo chamber here on HN?

Because if you keep downvoting every statement that you don’t agree with, that’s what you’ll soon have!

Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by mc3 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:03PM (#22133832)
I down voted because I believe it is an extraordinary claim without evidence.
Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by Can_Not on Saturday January 18, 2020 @08:44AM (#22084391)
"an echo chamber is when anyone disagrees with me"
Re:The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done by asdff on Friday January 17, 2020 @01:50AM (#22072450)
Spoken like someone who spends 4 hours on the 405 fwy a day, by choice.