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Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by mindcrime on Thursday February 10, 2011 @09:24PM (#2204890)
Interesting stuff. I know it's just a small step, but it makes you wonder if maybe good ole Ray Kurzweil is onto something with his talk about achieving immortality.

Which leads to some interesting questions... if there was a drug available that would let you live to be hundreds or thousands of years old, barring accident, would you take it? What would be the effect on society if death were all but eliminated? Would our population quickly overrun the limits of Earth's resources?

Thinking about this almost feels like an episode of The Twilight Zone.

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by bostonpete on Thursday February 10, 2011 @10:41PM (#2205064)
Absolutely. My 8 year-old has been asking a lot of questions and expressing concerns about death lately. In an effort to reassure him, at one point I explained to him that the pace of scientific discovery is accelerating rapidly and that there's a good chance that by the time he's older people will be able to live as long as they want.

A few nights ago he says, out of the blue, "Dad, if they do invent some medicine that let's people live forever, I hope they do it before you die."

"Me too", I said.

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by loewenskind on Friday February 11, 2011 @07:06AM (#2206020)
That's actually a very cute story. It would make a nice blog post, or Calvin & Hobbes type comic strip or something.
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by Zak on Thursday February 10, 2011 @09:51PM (#2204953)
I'd take it without a second thought. I've talked to a number of people who wouldn't though, and I find that curious. Why would you choose death by aging if it was optional? Suicide by other means would still be available if you grew tired of life.
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by jarin on Thursday February 10, 2011 @10:07PM (#2204985)
I've noticed that often people who say they wouldn't want to live forever are those who have no long-term grandiose goals that they feel are personally achievable given enough time (e.g. become a billionaire, live on Mars, create the next Google, etc.).

I've heard that there is a big longevity community in the valley.

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by mindcrime on Thursday February 10, 2011 @10:03PM (#2204974)
I'm with you; but I can imagine a few reasons why people might not take it. Some really religious types might feel that it's "playing God" or somehow interfering with "God's plan for the world." Some really eco-focused types might feel that it's immoral to live that long and therefore consume even more natural resources. Some conspiracy nuts would assume it was part of a government plan to do $SOMETHING. And some people might just assume there would be some sort of unforeseen consequences.

Still, I bet most people would take it, and pretty quick.

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by jerf on Thursday February 10, 2011 @10:14PM (#2205009)
Stepping up one meta point, a lot of people aren't actually teling you what they want, they're just flashing various social signals. As you say, put the pill in their hands, and, well, don't leave any of your body parts between their hands and their mouths if you don't want a nice new red welt.

Yes, there are some who would not for real, but one wonders how even they would feel five years in.

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by radu_floricica on Friday February 11, 2011 @07:19AM (#2206054)
Cognitive dissonance. You can either live knowing and regretting that you're going to die one day, of you can find reasons to believe it's not a bad thing. In time, you can come to actually prefer things this way.
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by WalterBright on Thursday February 10, 2011 @11:21PM (#2205152)
Talk's cheap if you're not faced with such a choice.
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by stcredzero on Thursday February 10, 2011 @09:58PM (#2204965)
Read and learn: http://www.sens.org/
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by stellar678 on Thursday February 10, 2011 @10:11PM (#2205004)
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by orangecat on Thursday February 10, 2011 @11:32PM (#2205182)
And donate if you can. I believe they have the best expected benefit per dollar of any cause.
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by khafra on Friday February 11, 2011 @09:14AM (#2206354)
Depends on your values and your expectations. If you do time discounting, you can save more lives sooner by donating to VillageReach or the Stop TB Partnership. If you think human civilization might have some trouble negotiation the next few thousand years, an existential risk reduction charity like FHI or SIAI might be better.

If neither of those applies, and you think SENS has a good chance of achieving their goal with sufficient funding, go for it!

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by orangecat on Thursday February 10, 2011 @11:28PM (#2205164)
if there was a drug available that would let you live to be hundreds or thousands of years old, barring accident, would you take it?

Of course, and the vast majority of those who say no actually would if given the opportunity.

What would be the effect on society if death were all but eliminated?

Greatly reduced medical costs and increased productivity and quality of life, for starters. The one negative is that we'd probably have to limit childbirth for a few decades while space colonization gets going, but that's a comparatively small price to pay.

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by flipside on Friday February 11, 2011 @01:13AM (#2205387)
A cure for aging terrifies me, my gut tells me that it would be the end of homo sapiens.

Think about it, do you really think all higher order life has this "defect" for no reason? Without aging, the youth would be at an eternal disadvantage in society. The rush to have children would all but disappear without a biological clock. Evolutionarily speaking, a cure for aging is a dead end.

That said, i could easily see it happening, so like I said, I'm terrified.

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by chc on Friday February 11, 2011 @04:10AM (#2205695)
In general, anything that happens after childbirth is tertiary from an evolutionary standpoint. All higher-order life has this defect not necessarily because it's good, but because merely delaying expression of the defect is enough. But what satisfies natural selection in the general case is not necessarily the best choice for people.

Also, humans have become so dominant by leapfrogging biological evolution with our technological evolution. This would just be one more example. It would not really be a dead-end unless we're looking at some eugenics angle.

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by jamii on Friday February 11, 2011 @01:38AM (#2205425)
I think by the point that we can banish aging technological self-improvement will have overtaken evolution by a long way. We already severely handicap evolution by using medicine to compensate for disadvantageous features such as short-sigtedness.
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by eru on Friday February 11, 2011 @04:32AM (#2205734)
We just alter the criteria for selection. Evolution is still there.
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by ChuckMcM on Friday February 11, 2011 @03:33PM (#2208023)
Being terrified of change is an evolutionary dead end. At a talk Leonard Nimoy gave at USC on his poetry he remarked that his garden had taught him that one could learn to value the change in in a thing over the current state of that thing. I found that to be a fairly profound statement and worth remembering.

The claim that youth would be at an eternal disadvantage in an ageless world not supported by observations in the current world. If having more time conferred universal advantage then youth today could not compete with those older than them. This is clearly not the case and demonstrated by young entreprenuers every day.

To the extent that the cellular processes active in creative, contemplative, and evaluative thinking are exposed, if it becomes common to unify those processes in the functioning of everyone's consciousness then it is possible it would give rise to a modest time advantage for those who had been thinking longer about the same things.

The more I read the news, the more I appreciate watching The Twighlight Zone :-)

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by loewenskind on Friday February 11, 2011 @07:11AM (#2206034)
The entire point of a civilized society is to overcome evolution. For consistency, do you at least hate all our technology that lets e.g. babies that would have died 50 years ago lead long productive lives? They obviously had bad genes, right?
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by rjshade on Friday February 11, 2011 @06:41AM (#2205971)
Higher order life has this "defect" because, from an evolutionary perspective, there is little reason for us to stick around for very long after reproducing. After passing our genes on to our children we have some years where it is helpful for their survival that we are still alive, but pretty soon Darwin has no more use for you.

The various problems that you imagine might result from curing ageing can be solved _after_ we solve the problem of hundreds of thousands of people dying every single day.

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by thret on Friday February 11, 2011 @05:46AM (#2205871)
The solution would be to limit reproduction, something we should be considering even with the current population size. China is on the right track I think, if they'd only pursue it with an incentivised system rather than law.

I'd do anything to live forever in any capacity. Even just to watch, how could it ever get boring?

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by thewordis on Friday February 11, 2011 @03:36PM (#2208029)
Personally, I've been hearing all my life about the Serious Philosophical Issues posed by life extension, and my attitude has always been that I'm willing to grapple with those issues for as many centuries as it takes.

-- Patrick Nielsen Hayden

Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by anigbrowl on Thursday February 10, 2011 @10:44PM (#2205072)
Pretty soon having children would require a license, and eugenics would make a violent comeback.
Re:Root molecular cause of declining health in the old found... by SapphireSun on Friday February 11, 2011 @02:19AM (#2205484)
The initial phase would probably be that you only need a license if you are on the pills most likely.