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Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by AnimalMuppet on Monday January 13, 2020 @07:04PM (#22040230)
I seem to recall that it was deliberately chosen for incompatibility, so that a BART train could never be run on a regular railroad track.

Why? Partly politics. Southern Pacific Railroad was the existing railroad in San Francisco. They had an existing commuter rail operation (which, if I understand correctly, later became Caltrain), and they didn't want the headaches of BART trains on their tracks. They were already losing money on their existing commuter operation. Their money came from hauling freight.

But the other reason was safety. If two trains collide, and they're both passenger trains, they'd better be built to similar collision standards. Otherwise the stronger train will destroy the weaker, and there are people in the weaker train. And if there are freight trains on the same tracks, then the passenger trains have to be built to standards such that a collision with a freight train isn't a massacre. (By the way, this is part of the distinction between "light rail" and regular rail. They should never be on the same tracks.)

Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by RealityVoid on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @12:24AM (#22042094)
> If two trains collide, and they're both passenger trains, they'd better be built to similar collision standards.

Is this _really_ a concern? This sounds crazy to me, how likely are trains to actually collide? Are they not monitored and tracked? Do they not have safety systems?

Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by antognini on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @01:27AM (#22042368)
BART has a safety system that can detect the presence of trains based on the electric potential across the tracks (since the wheels are metal). There was a collision back in the 1970s or 1980s because the repair vehicles had rubber wheels are were therefore not visible to the safety system. A BART train collided with one of the repair vehicles and killed one of the repairmen.
Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by tlb on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @01:04AM (#22042265)
They do have signals and safety systems, but things go wrong anyway. Cast your eyes over the last 10 years worth at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rail_accidents_(2010%E...
Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by fierarul on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @01:15AM (#22042308)
Romania, December 2019: two trains collide almost 50 injured.

And what is more monitored and tracked than airplanes? December 2019: "Wizz Air A320 within seconds of head on collision with an Air Europa Express flight over Spain"

Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by RealityVoid on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @01:50AM (#22042464)
Airplanes are not tracked( as in, they run on tracks) so they have more options as to where they might be. With trains it's far far simpler to position. Being on a collision course should be obvious.

Funny, I'm form Romania too, and CFR is a shining example of mismanagement. I really doubt we can extrapolate a general rule from what is happening with CFR. Precautions and some automated safety systems could surely avoid this.

Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by gowld on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @10:51AM (#22045905)
Trains are tracked, which means they can't get off a collision course. A plane can turn in 2 directions in each of 2 dimensions.
Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by masonic on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @06:19AM (#22043756)
I've never heard of this and don't see how it's possible given that BART requires an electrified third rail to operate at all. Caltrain uses locomotives.
Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @11:42AM (#22046501)
You can have a third rail beside tracks that diesel locomotives use.
Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by masonic on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @02:21AM (#22052300)
That depends on the width of rolling stock.

Plus, I've never seen electrified rail where the right of way is easily accessible by the public and has street-level crossings, and I can't imagine how that could work.

Re:Tradition Is Smarter (2018) by lmm on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @03:38AM (#22042921)
> And if there are freight trains on the same tracks, then the passenger trains have to be built to standards such that a collision with a freight train isn't a massacre. (By the way, this is part of the distinction between "light rail" and regular rail. They should never be on the same tracks.)

Yeah, otherwise every few years we might end up with a collision with the kind of death toll you see in a normal month on the roads.