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Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust by bryanlarsen on Monday January 13, 2020 @12:39PM (#22036631)
(B). The company is worth $300 billion to the bondholders, and $0 to shareholders, giving a total value of $300 billion.

And that's assuming the company is being liquidated. Most companies with viable businesses are worth a lot more than their assets because the big part of the valuation is assumed future earnings.

Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust by Dylan16807 on Monday January 13, 2020 @12:50PM (#22036747)
> The company is worth $300 billion to the bondholders, and $0 to shareholders, giving a total value of $300 billion.

But if it was cash and debts instead of assets and debts, the company wouldn't be worth $300 billion to bondholders?

Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust by bryanlarsen on Monday January 13, 2020 @01:03PM (#22036882)
If you spend a dollar to buy a chocolate bar, you say the chocolate bar is worth $1 and that you spent $1.

If you give a teller $1 for 4 quarters, you don't say that you spent $1.

Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust by Dylan16807 on Monday January 13, 2020 @01:05PM (#22036901)
I borrow $10 from a friend.

I currently am worth $0 to that bondholder.

I spend one of those borrowed dollars on a chocolate bar.

Now I'm worth $1 to that bondholder??

The spending is done with a completely different person than the bondholder.

Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust by kbutler on Monday January 13, 2020 @12:51PM (#22036763)
So you can create infinite value by borrowing more and more money.

I'd love to create lots of value for you by borrowing money from you. I would even consent to not destroy any of that value through making payments.

The bond is worth $300b to the bondholders, but only because it is expected to be paid back and is secured by the $300b assets. You can prove that by assuming those assets disappeared: how much is the bond (or the company) worth to the bondholders then?

Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust by bryanlarsen on Monday January 13, 2020 @01:07PM (#22036925)
Every single fair transaction has a net value of $0. If I buy a chocolate bar for $1 that's worth a dollar to me, I'm up one chocolate bar worth $1 and down a dollar. No net worth change, but it is validation the chocolate bar is worth $1.