Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust
by bentcorner on Monday January 13, 2020 @11:40AM
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> The biggest change I would make to the Model 3 design is ditching the frameless windows and using normal door frames which are less complex (no need for the window to move each time you open a door) and easier to seal up.
It'd be interesting to understand why the window needs to move down to open the door. I had a 90's acura integra that also had frameless windows, and the door seal was engineered such that it flexed enough to allow you to open/close the door with the window all the way up, but (as far as I can remember) road noise and weather sealing wasn't a problem.
Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust
by mywittyname on Monday January 13, 2020 @01:05PM
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Most frameless window cars now have a drip edge around the window that's supposed to keep moisture away from the door seals. The window goes down a bit in order for the window to clear the drip edge. If your battery goes dead in one, then the window will catch a little and pull. It's okay if it happens a few times, but over time it will probably pull the window off of the tracks.
Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust
by ImprovedSilence on Monday January 13, 2020 @11:50AM
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I thought bmw and mercs do the window thing too.
Re:Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust
by stetrain on Monday January 13, 2020 @03:55PM
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Some do, some don't. It's definitely a common thing in higher end cars, I just think it's probably over-extending for Tesla to implement this more complex system in a car that's supposed to be cheaper as well as their first real high-volume production vehicle.
Other decisions (single center screen, recessed air vents, lack of physical controls) all seem to be about simplicity and reducing parts in favor of software.
Frameless doors and window seals kind of goes against that in favor of fashion.
I haven't had any quality issues with mine but I know if I started measuring panel gaps it won't measure up to others in the price range. Noise insulation at highway speeds, door closing sounds, etc. don't quite measure up with the price either.
Mostly I prefer the simplicity of the vehicle and drivetrain. Alternatives from other companies are getting more complex both in interior (3 touchscreens + buttons + weird electronic shifter knobs) and drivetrain (auto start/stop, hybrid, plugin hybrid, 48v mild hybrid, turbo + supercharger, etc.)
A basic standard un-complicated ICE setup is becoming obsolete due to emissions, fuel economy, and power targets.
The biggest change I would make to the Model 3 design is ditching the frameless windows and using normal door frames which are less complex (no need for the window to move each time you open a door) and easier to seal up.