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Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by braythwayt on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:51PM (#22031453)
Note that Jobs didn’t create Macintosh. Having found himself without a power base within Apple, he looked around for a project and found Jef Raskin working away on creating an information appliance designed for “people first.”

Raskin’s vision was that it be low-cost and emphasize the user experience. But he and Jobs had very different ideas about how to accomplish this. Raskin did not want to create a computer people couldn’t afford, and his ideas for a new user experience were based on things like incremental search, not shipping an expensive (for the time) peripheral like a mouse.

Likewise, a bitmapped display and the cimputing power to make it work added too much cost for the computer to be an appliance in Jef’s mind, so he eschewed the kind of things Apple was doing with LISA, based on Xerox’s Star.

However, Jobs may have lost his power in the boardroom, but he outranked Raskin, and he pushed Raskin out. The Macintosh became another LISA, but without the overhead created by a design team trying to recreate much of the richness of the Star.

The Macintosh that shipped was less expensive than LISA, but certainly not inexpensive enough to be an appliance. They were way more expensive than The PCs of the day, and might well have fizzled had Aldus not shipped PageMaker and created a “killer app” for Macintosh the way VisiCalc created a killer app for early PCs.

The story Apple likes to tell about Jobs creating Macintosh is entertaining, but the backstory is much more educational for those of us working in mid-sized or larger companies, with all of the conflicting requirements, tradeoffs, and yes, politics.

Plenty more of that kind if thing at http://folklore.org/

There’s a collection of stories about Jef Raskin. He was an iconoclast with an insanely focused vision:

https://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?project=Macintosh&ch...

Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by kalleboo on Sunday January 12, 2020 @10:37PM (#22031619)
And Jef Raskin eventually got to create his vision, in the form of the Canon Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_Cat
Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by int_19h on Monday January 13, 2020 @02:50AM (#22032639)
So wait - did the guy invent the FN key? And does FN on modern keyboards stand for "FroNt", rather than "FuNction"?
Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by geocar on Monday January 13, 2020 @04:19AM (#22033000)
I don't think so. The space-cadet keyboard had a FRONT key and it predates the canon cat by at least a few years: It literally referred to the characters on the front of the keycaps (as opposed to the top).
Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by achow on Monday January 13, 2020 @12:51AM (#22032152)
It is true that Jef Raskin set the vision for Macintosh as an extremely friendly and approachable computing machine.

However, there is other anecdote which says..

Andy Herzfeld, one of the Macintosh’s developers, says that Raskin is “much more like an eccentric great uncle than the Macintosh’s father,”

However, ..He also deserves ample credit for putting together the extraordinary initial team that created the computer, recruiting former student Bill Atkinson to Apple and then hiring amazing individuals like Burrell Smith, Bud Tribble, Joanna Hoffman and Brian Howard for the Macintosh team.

https://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/October-...

Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by braythwayt on Monday January 13, 2020 @09:11AM (#22034561)
The folklore.org links I provided go into this and more.

As I’m about to type into another reply in this thread...

I think the conclusion to be drawn from discussions like this is that although narcissists like to suggest they and they alone provided the “magic spark” that make projects successful, it is an entire team of people who actually create revolutionary products.

The business press—and society on average—love the myth of the visionary entrepreneur, but upon close inspection, success has many parents.

Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by simonh on Monday January 13, 2020 @06:51AM (#22033617)
>Note that Jobs didn’t create Macintosh.

You create the impression Raskin created the Macintosh instead, but Raskin was working on a text menu based system nothing like the Macintosh so that just flat out doesn't fly. Raskin assembled the Macintosh team, but the creative vision for the Mac certainly didn't come from Raskin.

Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by braythwayt on Monday January 13, 2020 @09:11AM (#22034563)
The folklore.org links I provided go into this and more.

As typed into another reply in this thread...

I think the conclusion to be drawn from discussions like this is that although narcissists like to suggest they and they alone provided the “magic spark” that make projects successful, it is an entire team of people who actually create revolutionary products.

The business press—and society on average—love the myth of the visionary entrepreneur, but upon close inspection, success has many parents.

Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by kick on Sunday January 12, 2020 @10:02PM (#22031505)
I was aware of this! It's always been a very interesting part of consumer technology's history for me.
Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by braythwayt on Sunday January 12, 2020 @10:11PM (#22031532)
Yeah. The story of LISA and before that, Apple III are also fascinating. A hit product like Apple II buys a company a lot of lottery tickets for coming up with another hit.
Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by webboynews on Sunday January 12, 2020 @11:23PM (#22031806)
His son is also a UX guru and created the ultimate power tool, enso- a launcher.
Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by braythwayt on Monday January 13, 2020 @09:12AM (#22034568)
For those unfamiliar, that’s Aza Raskin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aza_Raskin

Re:Welcome to Apple: A one-party state by hboon on Monday January 13, 2020 @01:24AM (#22032279)
And he worked on Jawbone UP.