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Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by smolder on Friday January 10, 2020 @04:52PM (#22015991)
The pragmatism of investing in the superficial to satisfy other people's expectations does not make it less superficial.

We waste an absurd amount of time fretting over image collectively for one reason: to satisfy each others need to judge things by their covers --IOW, to satisfy each others need to make flawed judgements.

It's wise for one person to care about their image, but not for a whole group of people to gatekeep the way we do based on aesthetics. The relevance of a suit and tie is self perpetuating, something like "I got hazed when I joined this fraternity, so the new recruits should get hazed, too."

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by yters on Friday January 10, 2020 @05:00PM (#22016068)
It's an easy thing for a third party to check, easier than evaluating technical skill, and easy for a motivated person to fulfill. As such, it also serves as an easy filter that has a lot of false negatives, but probably fewer false positives than a non-subject matter expert trying to evaluate expertise.

It also signals consideration for other human beings, not expecting them to jump through a bunch of expertise evaluating hoops, but instead allowing them to rely a commonly agreed upon and decently useful signal. Consideration for others is yet one more important thing to signal.

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by smolder on Monday January 13, 2020 @10:13AM (#22035077)
It's circular to call that considerate. You're saying it's useful because people care, I'm saying people care about something useless.

You can apply the same logic to an obese person as chronically under-dressed/fashion-averse one: They ought to be considerate enough to show their attention to detail through managing their health better and careful calorie intake.

I stand by my point that it's a shortcoming of our culture that we give those signals (i.e. "t-shirts aren't very professional!") any weight at all.

I won't claim an inverse trend but I've worked with enough relatively-useless and very well dressed people that it's basically noise.

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by yters on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @10:40AM (#22045768)
Judging appearances is useful as a very low level check, so I wouldn't say it is completely useless, though I agree it is over emphasized.