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Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by caniszczyk on Friday January 10, 2020 @09:38AM (#22011181)
I have a lot of experience in building open source foundations, from my time at Apache, Eclipse and the Linux Foundation, lots of pros and cons across different entities in terms of how much professional help you want (versus volunteer labor). I generally don't recommend standing up your own foundation from scratch unless you're extremely well funded. The Linux Foundation essentially offers "Foundation as a Service" for projects. It hosts a variety of projects and organizations, from LetsEncrypt.org, to Kubernetes (CNCF) to GraphQL to NodeJS (OpenJS) to the R Consortium and more. I created a presentation here not so long ago about the process/benefits: https://www.slideshare.net/caniszczyk/bringing-an-open-sourc...

I'm happy to have a conversation if you ever wanted to chat more about the details.

Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by steveklabnik on Friday January 10, 2020 @10:58AM (#22011842)
I saw you posted this in other places too. Several of us have some LF experience, so we're already broadly familiar, but I appreciate it! We'll reach out if appropriate, thanks!
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by caniszczyk on Friday January 10, 2020 @11:30AM (#22012128)
Thanks, I believe you're based in Austin also so happy to do coffee (unless I'm wrong)
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by steveklabnik on Friday January 10, 2020 @11:31AM (#22012134)
I am! If you ever want to get coffee about non-LF stuff, let me know :)
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by mylesborins on Friday January 10, 2020 @01:39PM (#22013697)
you two are both rad and this is the best interaction I've seen on the orange site in a while
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by bordercases on Friday January 10, 2020 @02:24PM (#22014349)
Because it's almost contentless?
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by steveklabnik on Friday January 10, 2020 @02:31PM (#22014456)
It’s just a bit inside baseball; Myles is on the Node TSC, which is an organ of the Linux Foundation via the Node Foundation.
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Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by biggestlou on Friday January 10, 2020 @03:44PM (#22015327)
Wow. You created a Hacker News account an hour ago just to say this?

Who cares if it's "contentless?" Interactions on HN are frequently petty, mean spirited, and uncivil. Two people who are extremely active and give a lot to two different communities but don't know each other in real life had a pleasant interaction here that could have a fruitful outcome. Was this an event of Earth-shattering importance? No. But to read it as an illustration of the "vapidity...that infects open source projects" strikes me as noxiously cynical.

Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by mixologic on Friday January 10, 2020 @03:40PM (#22015275)
I wonder how many open source projects @lolrust0 has been kicked out of for being toxic.
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by bjr11 on Friday January 10, 2020 @03:46PM (#22015352)
Agreed incredibly vapid passive aggressive chittering on a public forum.
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by xwowsersx on Friday January 10, 2020 @12:12PM (#22012522)
Can you explain why it's a bad idea to start your own foundation unless well-funded? What exactly does the LF's FaaS provide?
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by biggestlou on Friday January 10, 2020 @10:53PM (#22017999)
Event planning resources for conferences, graphic design help, legal staff who specialize in OSS issues, money for infrastructure costs (CI/CD, compute and storage resources), money for day-to-day tools (JIRA, Slack, Zoom, Discourse), documentation and web design resources, and much more. Basically all of the background conditions necessary for collaboration and ecosystem growth to be as unimpeded by resource scarcity as possible.
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by xwowsersx on Friday January 10, 2020 @10:56PM (#22018012)
Well that's pretty awesome. Are there qualifications besides being OSS with the proper licenses?
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by Touche on Friday January 10, 2020 @10:32AM (#22011639)
Does this mean that Linux Foundation has ultimate control of the foundation?
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by rectang on Friday January 10, 2020 @10:59AM (#22011845)
Governance can be set up in a number of ways, depending on the charter, with power allocated to different stakeholders in different configurations. See slide 42 from Chris's presentation. As a Rust user, I would follow the creation of such a charter with great interest.

https://www.slideshare.net/caniszczyk/bringing-an-open-sourc...

Moving away from Mozilla, regardless of destination, presents an opportunity for the most powerful stakeholders within the community to exert greater influence, many of whom I would be less comfortable with than Mozilla.

Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by Touche on Friday January 10, 2020 @11:09AM (#22011935)
To be honest I don't know what this means. I was expected a yes or no answer. Does the Linux Foundation have final say over the organization or does its members?
Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by rectang on Friday January 10, 2020 @12:11PM (#22012513)
Projects can be set up so that one entity (possibly a company which is a Linux Foundation Member) exerts dominant influence. This is one reason that many companies are comfortable bringing projects to the LF β€” and that's arguably better on balance for the Open Source ecosystem than them keeping those projects in-house and their governance murky.

Rust, though, is already at Mozilla, whose influence seems to be benign.

I'm curious, which Mozilla entity holds the trademark: is it the 501(c)(3) Mozilla Foundation, or is it their for-profit subsidiary, the Mozilla Corporation?

Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by steveklabnik on Friday January 10, 2020 @12:14PM (#22012545)
> I'm curious, which Mozilla entity holds the trademark: is it the 501(c)(3) Mozilla Foundation, or is it their for-profit subsidiary, the Mozilla Corporation?

I never thought about this, but TESS says it's Moco, which is what I'd expect.

Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by rectang on Friday January 10, 2020 @12:41PM (#22012848)
I wonder if it's reasonable to donate that trademark to the 501(c)(3) Mozilla Foundation and to then formalize a charter laying out Rust governance.

For what it's worth I would have greater confidence in such an arrangement than I would in a 501(c)(6) Business League version of a Rust Foundation, which would in my view undermine independence.

Re:Towards a Rust Foundation by steveklabnik on Friday January 10, 2020 @12:44PM (#22012881)
I don't think that helps accomplish one of the main goals of this effort, which is to demonstrate independence.