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Re:Ask HN: Is it worth it to move to London as a SWE? by dangus on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @08:50AM (#21991359)
High cost of living areas benefit SWEs and other in-demand professionals. I imagine they aren’t as good as mid-sized cities for commodity careers due to the cost of living.

Disclaimer here: I don’t know anything about London. And I won’t talk about Brexit, that’s a separate and important consideration.

The higher salary will almost certainly make up for the cost of living.

You just need to do the math. The information is readily available. Find salary information for your role and experience level, and then jump on real estate websites and find out how much rentals costs near some of those employees.

I thought San Francisco was crazy until I did the math. Sure, the rent is $5000 a month or higher, but that’s only $48k a year more than a $1000 a month apartment in the Midwest United States. But you’re looking at a salary difference of over $100k, maybe even $200k, and all that extra money means extra savings that could be taken to a cheaper city when you retire, or help you retire faster.

Not only that, but everything that comes from a factory, and things like plane tickets all stay the same price while your salary is way higher.

I personally think going from a mid-size city to a larger one is appealing. Larger cities have more things to do, more ways to explore niche interests, and better transit.

There are downsides but I think some adjustment is all you need. For one, you have to take your personal belongings seriously. If you have a suburban habit of storing a bunch of stuff you don’t need, you will need to change that. If you can learn to live in a smaller space and enjoy it that’ll go really far in allowing you to benefit from the extra salary without throwing it all away on housing.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth it to move to London as a SWE? by theredbox on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:34AM (#21991767)
Except the salaries in Europe, nowhere in Europe can even come close to such a staggering difference like those in SF or NYC.

There just is not that kind of money in circulation for SWE.

I even doubt one can get $130k in London.SWEs in London are not competing with other SWEs. They are competing with bankers and similar.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth it to move to London as a SWE? by marksweston on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @10:08AM (#21992055)
Historically it seems that the highest paid developers in London have been contractors, who can charge £600 ($780) / day for fairly non-niche skills in web-development.

IR35 may change the incentives for employers enough that that kind of money is more likely to be paid in salary form. We're now seeing senior developer salaries being advertised as high as £90k - £100k ($130k). Again, for in demand but non-niche skills (Ruby, React, full-stack JS etc).

I'm sure London won't be seeing SF or NYC level salaries, but you can definitely live comfortably in London on a software engineer's salary.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth it to move to London as a SWE? by dogma1138 on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:57AM (#21991957)
110-120K GBP base is pretty standard for SWE's with 2-5 years experience in the financial sector and fang, heck 100K base isn't exactly impossible to get these days even outside of London in places like Manchester and Bristol.

Overall your total comp can get well beyond 150-160K GBP these days, that's including the 15-20% cash bonus, and the circa 20% pension large companies award today + other benefits.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth it to move to London as a SWE? by objclxt on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:46AM (#21991860)
> I even doubt one can get $130k in London.SWEs in London are not competing with other SWEs. They are competing with bankers and similar.

It's certainly harder than in, say, SF, but by no means impossible. Google and Facebook between them have thousands of engineers in London and are growing fast. They're not paying as much as the US, but are by no means stingy. £100k ($130k) is not unrealistic.

If you want some anecdotal data, I transferred from the Bay Area to London and my base salary decreased about 25%. But then again, a nice one-bed apartment in London can easily be easily found for $2k...try finding that in SF.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth it to move to London as a SWE? by pc86 on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:55AM (#21991940)
> £100k ($130k) is not unrealistic.

Yet I work in a a medium-to-low COL area of the US and make more than that. My area is in the high 80's while NYC is 162 and SF is 206.

It's hard to argue in favor of being a SWE in London if being a SWE in the US is a possibility in any locale.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth it to move to London as a SWE? by surfmike on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:43AM (#21991837)
What about SWEs at financial companies? I know in NY that’s where a lot of the most lucrative positions are.