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A comment on Comma Two Devkit.

Re:Comma Two Devkit by rvz on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:03PM (#21986693)
If there is anything about Comma.ai that I have seen beyond the hype of self-driving cars, I see this as substance, unlike the rest of them AI self-driving cars (Except Tesla). The idea to turn your existing car into self-driving rather than spending $$$ on a new one makes sense for those saving money.

Comma.ai is for cars what Linux is for PCs, meaning that you use open-source software and a hardware kit to make your existing car self-driving. Very clever!

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by awal2 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:28PM (#21986905)
When somebody installs Linux on their computer without knowing what they are doing they might make break their computer. When somebody tries to install after-market self-driving equipment in their car without knowing what they are doing they could easily kill people.
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Re:Comma Two Devkit by ehaisnfn on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:41PM (#21987393)
That's really a bullshit comparison. It either works, or it does not. That's quite literally the same as oem systems. It either works, or throws an error and does not.
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Re:Comma Two Devkit by vineyardmike on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:17PM (#21987945)
Yeah and Many people probably don’t want a car that’s “self driving” (or insert your definition of what OpenPilot does) to “throw an error” while going down the highway. That’s not safe for the car or the nearby drivers.
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Re:Comma Two Devkit by nl on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @12:07AM (#21988537)
It either works, or throws an error and does not.

It controls your throttle and steering so it appears there may be other errors that could occur.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by dblotsky on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @12:48AM (#21988701)
You’re missing the huge “works incorrectly” space of outputs.
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Re:Comma Two Devkit by macspoofing on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:16PM (#21986795)
>The idea to turn your existing car into self-driving rather than spending $$$ on a new one makes sense for those saving money.

You sure this is where you want to save money on a self-driving system?

God forbid there's an accident, what then? There's no big company you can point at for recourse and I guarantee that Comma.ai isn't going to stand by and accepted responsibility - their website makes it clear that the dev kit does not ship with any self-driving software.

>Very clever!

Very dangerous!!

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by bugsy924 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:30PM (#21986921)
It's only a level 2 system and with this hardware, won't ever be level 3

If there's an accident, the driver has to be pretty stupid. it's predictable, you know where its strong and weak points are. It has weak points when the roads get tricky. Previously it would panic through an intersection, this has since been improved upon.

Its eyes don't leave the road, people on their phones do. I wonder which cause more bumper to bumper collisions!

They probably won't accept responsibility, that's on the driver since openpilot is a driver assist system, not a higher level (L3+) self-driving system

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by numpad0 on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @07:49AM (#21990899)
Why is it dangerous? Self driving software instances costs a lot to develop but nothing to manufacture, and the cost cannot be used as an indicator of its safety or sophistication, at all.
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Re:Comma Two Devkit by Fricken on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:24PM (#21986872)
Comma and Tesla do driver assist, neither are self-driving.
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Re:Comma Two Devkit by heavyset_go on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:28PM (#21987982)
From Tesla's own promotional video[1]:

> The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by DesolationJones on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:53PM (#21988121)
That's not available to the public.
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Re:Comma Two Devkit by hurricanetc on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:28PM (#21987317)
Someone should tell Tesla because they use that term all over their site, marketing, and tweets.
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Re:Comma Two Devkit by sp332 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:34PM (#21987349)
Followed by the words "in the future". https://www.tesla.com/autopilot Or maybe "hardware", since the software isn't there yet.https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now...
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