Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois

Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by dylz on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:02AM (#21978534)

I get spam near daily. I actually just got spam from a "new" cogent salesperson _as I was reading the ARIN pdf_. I've told them "don't contact me again" and it's a different person the next week.

It's absurd and I'm glad at least something is starting to be done.

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Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by wereHamster on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:06AM (#21979977)

The usual reaction in the US should be: sue them. You have the CAN-SPAM act and the Do Not Call Registry… why don't people make use of that to stop the companies from spamming them?

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Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by JohnFen on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:51PM (#21983225)

Because actually doing so is difficult, can be expensive, and is largely pointless.

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Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by dredmorbius on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:55PM (#21984087)

Small claims. Up to $10k in most jurisdictions.

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Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by JohnFen on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @03:51PM (#21984666)

Maybe, but that only covers the court portion. The more problematic portion is gathering admissible evidence.

Also, it's not clear if small claims would have jurisdiction with companies that aren't in the same state.

Additionally, winning in small claims only gives you the right to chase after the award (the court is not going to collect on your behalf) -- so you still have to go to the time, hassle, and expense of trying to collect.

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Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by dredmorbius on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:30PM (#21987330)

http://www.killthecalls.com/suing-telemarketers.html

https://www.nbc12.com/2019/12/05/consumers-winning-financial... (robocall specific)

https://www.mahanyertl.com/2018/robocalls-can-sue-telemarket... (conduct your business over mobile)

Specific to business lines, where harassment remains a legal recourse:

https://pocketsense.com/stop-telemarketers-calling-business-...

https://paysimple.com/blog/small-business-tips-for-dealing-w...

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2626467/how-to-sue-telemar...

More to the point, establishing yourself as a litigious asshole may change the counterparty's marketing calculus. Which is the principle point.

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Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by JohnFen on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @11:15AM (#21992702)

Very interesting. Thank you for this!

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Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by blaser-waffle on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @04:01PM (#21984799)

For what sort of damages would I sue them? I was annoyed by a 2 minute phonecall or email?

Its a regulatory thing, bump the FTC (and in this case ARIN) so they can take action.

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Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by eli on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:55PM (#21984085)

I don't think either CAN-SPAM nor Do Not Call provides a private right of action that would apply here.

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Re:Suspension of Cogent Access to ARIN Whois by notyourday on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:42AM (#21981611)

It is all about creating asymmetry into your favor i.e. make them waste their time.

Make them jump through a bazillion hoops. Their will bring their managers and directors involved. Make those waste their time as well. Have them write proposals. Get their bosses involved. Have their bosses waste their time. Eventually it would get to an SVP/EVP level of sales which will permanently fix the issue.

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