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Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:04AM (#21967701)
> it's quite simple: there are many more men in the Bay than women

I’m in Manhattan. The single sex ratio is reversed. (More single women than men.)

Male FAANG employee rants about how they should be magnets for women, but can’t find a date because something is wrong with all women, are equally prevalent here.

They’re all (a) the same rant and (b) as boring as the last one.

There’s a selection effect among well-paid software engineers at large tech companies that explains more of this than local statistics. That or these jobs turn interesting people into those who believe they should be magnets for the opposite sex, which tends to be a turn-off for most people.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by wmil on Monday January 06, 2020 @03:54PM (#21973197)
> That or these jobs turn interesting people into those who believe they should be magnets for the opposite sex, which tends to be a turn-off for most people.

Tech selects for people who are object focussed as opposed to people focussed.

Most women prefer to date men who are good at wooing and entertaining them. Which means more people focussed than object focussed.

The tech men are frustrated because they are basically their best selves -- financially and professionally successful, able and willing to support a family. Traditionally that would be enough to make them a catch.

But dating women with careers limits the value of their financial support. And they don't have the skills to wow the women socially.

Realistically they can't develop those skills easily.

This is probably going to sound incredibly cynical, but the best advice I've heard for NYC techies is to try to date ballerinas.

They're beautiful and disciplined. But they retire before 30 and have to decide to either start a family or open a studio to start teaching. At that point most of the men they know are married or gay.

So likely to be more willing to overlook the social weaknesses of tech men.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by grepory on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:00PM (#21975566)
Don Quixote appears from behind the curtain up stage left--his left arm confidently and lustily on his right hip, right arm arcing gracefully over his head like half a rainbow.

There's so much going on in this response, but my favorite parts, in order of appearance:

> The tech men are frustrated because they are basically their best selves

The tech men are frustrated because of entitlement. Handed everything on a silver platter hand-delivered to them by a person of color driving a rented Toyota Prius for half of their monthly income.

> This is probably going to sound incredibly cynical, but the best advice I've heard for NYC techies is to try to date ballerinas.

Leave my goddamn ballerinas alone.

> But they retire before 30 and have to decide to either start a family or open a studio to start teaching.

Most of the people I dance with are software engineers of one kind or another. San Francisco may be somewhat unique in that regard--I wouldn't know, but most of the dancers I know both professional and retired are insanely enterprising and know how to hustle better than most of the people I know in tech.

> At that point most of the men they know are married or gay.

Most of the men I know that dance both professionally and at an amateur level do not identify as gay--some have families--with other dancers.

> So likely to be more willing to overlook the social weaknesses of tech men.

Nope. It's _impossible_ to overlook the social weaknesses of tech men.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by mk30 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @04:18PM (#21984990)
"Realistically they can't develop those skills easily."

software skills can't be developed easily either, yet programmers have powered through, persevered, and figured it out. where would programmers be if they shied away from skills they couldn't develop easily?

also, if you have underdeveloped social skills, you are not 'basically your best self'. i believe in the tech men! i believe that they can put their cleverness & perseverance to work developing their social skills! you can do it!

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by mcphage on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:40AM (#21980269)
> The tech men are frustrated because they are basically their best selves

> And they don't have the skills to wow the women socially.

Your standard of what qualifies as a man's "best self" is pretty low.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by xapata on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:52AM (#21970024)
It's interesting how co-occurrent some genetic/behavioral traits are. I read an article about a study of domesticating foxes. After many generations selecting for propensity to come forward when a human puts out food, the semi-domesticated offspring showed a wide array of physical traits associated with dogs in addition to the behavior that was selected for.

Yet... as computing becomes more popular, I expect this stereotype to become obsolete. It roughly applies to myself and many of my friends. My wife calls me a robot. But hey, somehow most of us managed to find a spouse.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by NeverFade on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:48PM (#21976649)
Thank you for your anecdote. I'm sure as soon as enough Bay area engineers read it, thousands of women will materialize out of thin air to compensate for the fact that there are 55-65% more men than women in counties like Santa Clara and Marin.

While I don't doubt that some guys have trouble in more favorable conditions, nothing will change the mathematical reality that even if every single man in the Bay found his perfect match, 40% of them would remain single because there are simply not enough women for all the men in the area.