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Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by mjevans on Sunday January 05, 2020 @09:52PM (#21966037)
I'd rather they just use the years the standards were ratified... at least that would be both monotonic and obvious while not risking confusion with the frequency.
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by echelon on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:03PM (#21966081)
Monotonic version numbering is the way to go, and years are the most consistent and best understood mechanism for something with a release cadence such as WiFi or a language spec.

We should adopt this as an industry.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by jfoster on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:33PM (#21966209)
It also gives an indication of whether two things were produced around the same time or not. (Eg. You'd know that Windows 2015 probably wouldn't support WiFi 2019 without support being added)
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by echelon on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:37PM (#21966227)
Now that's just brilliant. It hasn't seen wide enough adoption for this to happen yet, but imagine all the USB standards and processors and whatnot did the same.

That's just so simple it's genius.

"That 2020 motherboard won't run USB 2025"

We really need this.

Please Intel, Broadcom, Nvidia, etc. folks reading this. Please.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by MereInterest on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:51PM (#21966529)
It's also really nice for convincing people that things are out of date. It is a lot easier to defend targeting "ANSI C" than it is to defend targeting "C89", even though it shouldn't be.
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by PaulHoule on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:25PM (#21966437)
Those firms don't have much control of the rate technology is adopted.

Look at how slow USB-C has been to come on. Look at how 802.11ax has gone nowhere. Or how Intel has been dragging its feet with PCIe4.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by bronson on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:53PM (#21966535)
Absolutely this. “Hey, this 2025 motherboard runs USB 2020 right?” “Nope!”
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by close04 on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:16AM (#21968255)
> Look at how 802.11ax has gone nowhere

802.11ax is WiFi 6. We can assume it will get somewhere once it gets a fully fledged launch.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by jedberg on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:32AM (#21967033)
Except that your 2025 motherboard will run USB 2025, even though it’s the same as USB 2020. The marketing people just didn’t want to write USB 2020 on there.

But since USB won’t actually Change until 2030 it doesn’t matter, right?

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by Osiris on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:25PM (#21966171)
ECMAScript does this (ECAMScript 2015, 2017, 2018, etc) and I also really like it.
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by angrygoat on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:17PM (#21966404)
Fortran has been doing it longer.. Fortran 66, 77, 90, 95, 2003, 2008, 2018. It really is a very helpful approach.
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by ethbro on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:13PM (#21966383)
> Monotonic version numbering is the way to go, and years are the most consistent and best understood mechanism [...]. We should adopt this as an industry.

Absolutely agreed.

In the interest of efficiency, we should probably also truncate it to fewer digits.

Perhaps 2.

Since we're in the first quarter of a new century, this won't cause an issue for a long time.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by agumonkey on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:37PM (#21966223)
someone put a website to advocate something like this to replace semver, forgot the url though
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by quadrifoliate on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:53PM (#21966302)
> someone put a website to advocate something like this to replace semver, forgot the url though

It's probably CalVer: https://calver.org/

As other commenters have said though, manufacturers probably don't want consumers to have a good idea of just how obsolete their equipment is. The current a|c|b|g|n alphabet soup is working out just fine for selling lots of equipment.

Also, there are likely to be actual manufacturing and engineering reasons why Wifi 2021 will only become widely available during 2024, and those are hard to get across to consumers too.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by CBLT on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:02PM (#21966074)
Probably unpalatable to industry. Do you imagine ASUS would want their newest 2020 router to only be Wifi 2018?
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by RL_Quine on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:14PM (#21966124)
It can be done in the same way that specifications for consumer electronics currently work. This router supports WiFi Hyper-Speed 5 Super Tough Technology with Ultra Frequency Crystals (R) for enhanced frequency modulation GAMING EDITION ULTIMATE FATALITY RGB.

The rise of this sort of branding is very intentionally to make comparison possible, as you don't really know anything about the Ultra Frequency Crystals and why their competitor doesn't have them, just buy whichever ones have flames and a dragon on the box and it'll work itself out.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by lebrad on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:33PM (#21966208)
The auto industry deals with this by assigning cars a "model year" which is the year after the calendar year in which they start being sold, thus you can buy 2021 cars in 2020.
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by echelon on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:04PM (#21966089)
Consumers that need to know or care can be taught.

The other half or more of the market already doesn't understand the existing versioning scheme. If you print the version in small print on the back of the box, they'll be no worse off. Or simply elide the first two digits and they won't know it's a year-based scheme.

And who's to say they can't do a yearly release cadence? WiFi 20, WiFi 21, ...

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by gpm on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:12PM (#21966114)
I propose using a 3 digit date, no one will even realize if they aren't a tech person.

Our 2020 router supports wifi 018

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by pacaro on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:14PM (#21966122)
I have fond memories from the mid nineties of a compiled xBase language that did this, their dominant version was Clipper Summer'87 — their last year numbered version, their next version was 5.0 and was so bad they lost most of their market advantage — in the mid nineties talking about a product called Summer'87 sounded really bad to me, humorously this was when Microsoft moved from a numeric scheme to years, which itself only lasted from 95-2000 (longer for server releases of course)
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by paranoidrobot on Sunday January 05, 2020 @11:43PM (#21966502)
> Microsoft moved from a numeric scheme to years, which itself only lasted from 95-2000 (longer for server releases of course)

Their commitment to it even for servers is only half-hearted.

    Windows Server 2003 (April 2003)
    Windows Server 2003 R2 (December 2005)
    Windows Server 2008 (February 2008)
    Windows Server 2008 R2 (October 2009)
    Windows Server 2012 (September 2012)
    Windows Server 2012 R2 (October 2013)
    Windows Server 2016 (September 2016)
    Windows Server 2019 (October 2018)
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by Dylan16807 on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:32AM (#21966748)
That works for the version but tells you very little about what frequencies are supported. And it's the complication of frequencies that's hard here, not figuring out that wifi 6 comes between 5 and 7.
Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by reaperducer on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:18PM (#21966143)
I'd rather they just use the years the standards were ratified

Worked for Microsoft... for a while.

And then later, lazy programmers forced it to skip Windows 9.

People ruin everything.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by Jaruzel on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:46AM (#21967899)
> People ruin everything.

'Marketeers' ruin everything.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by reaperducer on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:13AM (#21969220)
It's my understanding that the reason "Windows 9" was skipped was technical, not marketing.

I read (I think on HN) that lazy programmers would test whether the environment was Windows 95 through 98 by only checking for "Win9" or something similar, rather than a list of strings. Thus, if Microsoft released an actual "Win9," many programs would think they were running on Windows 95.

Re:Wi-Fi Alliance Brings Wi-Fi 6 into 6 GHz by WorldMaker on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:05PM (#21973309)
To name and shame at least one example, such code was included in some versions of the Java Development Kit itself and could be found in easy Google code searches at least at the time Microsoft skipped Windows 9.

Microsoft and Apple and others also prefer to skip 9 for the international marketing reason that 9 is a very evil number by superstition in most of Asia, like how some of the west believes 13 to be unlucky and things like elevators tend to skip 13 in the US/Europe.