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Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday January 02, 2020 @10:45AM (#21936293)
Still not sure why they don't have more pedestrian catwalks in cities directly above the roads. That's a whole lot less expensive than elevated roadways (you have to support ~200 pound pedestrians instead of 80,000 pound trucks), separates the pedestrians from the cars, and doesn't require any additional land.

And then you could have second story pedestrian entrances to buildings, which already have elevators in them, so it wouldn't even be an issue for people who have trouble with stairs.

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by CydeWeys on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:08PM (#21937197)
Making pedestrians go out of their way to get anywhere is a great way to discourage walking and treat it as a second class citizen to driving, when it should really be the other way around.

Plus, said catwalks need to be accessible, so how many elevators are you planning on putting in and maintaining now?

Pedestrian bridges flat-out suck. Better to get rid of as many vehicles as possible and slow the remaining ones waaaay the hell down so that people can walk along streets and across intersections safely.

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by bluGill on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:32PM (#21937500)
For one. bridge you are right. Put in dozens such that you can go several km without going back down though and things are different.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by CydeWeys on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:04PM (#21937904)
Do you realize how catastrophically expensive it would be to build and maintain all of these bridges and pathways along with the four elevators per intersection? And how closed in and claustrophobic it would make the street level feel like from blocking out so much sun?

If this idea were viable, someone somewhere in the world would have already done it. But the closest I can think of is Las Vegas, and that's only along one road, and it's not even a full pedestrian pathway but instead just some bridges over intersections, and those are primarily there to prevent drunks from getting run over by cars.

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by jacobolus on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:15PM (#21938007)
> If this idea were viable, someone somewhere in the world would have already done it.

Hong Kong does this in the downtown area. It’s viable because of the very high population density and prevalence of foot traffic.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hong+kong+pedestrian+bridge&iax=im...

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by bluGill on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:39PM (#21938251)
Many cities in fact already have it. We call them skyways. The bridge is building to building. It is generally not on the corners, but in the middle of the block. Getting in is tricky because you need to find the elevator in the middle of the building, but once in you don't leave for a while so that isn't a big deal.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by CydeWeys on Thursday January 02, 2020 @03:21PM (#21939379)
Yeah, I'm aware of what skyways are. And there's no city in which they remotely come close to covering as much walking territory as sidewalks do.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by bluGill on Thursday January 02, 2020 @03:36PM (#21939520)
True, but they do cover most of the areas where a large number of people want to be often.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by true_religion on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:28PM (#21938142)
Downtown Manila basically has bridges over every intersection, or underground walkways with elevators for the disabled.

It works out great. Though admittedly it’s more of a workout than walking in flat Manhattan.

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by CydeWeys on Thursday January 02, 2020 @03:24PM (#21939400)
So you've got to go up and down to cross every single intersection? That sounds like a nightmare that makes walking take significantly longer.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by jessaustin on Thursday January 02, 2020 @05:10PM (#21940481)
It works because driving is so inconvenient there.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by CydeWeys on Saturday January 04, 2020 @01:54PM (#21956617)
If driving is already so inconvenient why not just relegate it even further and prioritize walking over vehicles at intersections? Why should all the larger numbers of pedestrians be forced to take much longer to get where they're going on account of all these bridges to benefit a smaller number of vehicles?
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by jessaustin on Saturday January 04, 2020 @04:21PM (#21957657)
Sure, improvements should be made. The pedestrian bridges themselves are improvements. People use them by choice, and not because they appreciate the exercise. It would be easy to underestimate just how many many vehicles and pedestrians are attempting to navigate the metro Manila area. Roads and other transit infrastructure are seriously lacking in Philippines, relative to that seen in more "developed" nations.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by leetcrew on Thursday January 02, 2020 @02:24PM (#21938742)
they actually do this in places like Minneapolis. mainly because it's just too cold to be outside for prolonged periods in the winter. my friend walks almost his entire commute without going outside.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by CydeWeys on Thursday January 02, 2020 @03:23PM (#21939397)
Yeah, so that system is only 9.5 miles, and claims to be the largest such system of connected aerial sidewalks in the world. Meanwhile, NYC has 12,750 miles of sidewalks.

That's a several orders of magnitude difference between the capacity of the two systems.

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by fennecfoxen on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:40PM (#21938275)
Elevated pedestrian catwalks are a recurring architectural fad. They don't tend to work out very well outside of a few specific areas, though, as pedestrians traffic is most popular in situations where pedestrians also have access to lots of street-level homes and businesses.

Consider further coverage and commentary such as

https://www.academyofurbanism.org.uk/streets-in-the-sky-the-...

https://failedarchitecture.com/the-downfall-of-londons-stree...

https://www.architectural-review.com/essays/campaigns/notopi...

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by mperham on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:07PM (#21937182)
Wouldn't the space and extra travel distance required for above-street ramps makes them impractical? If you want to rise 15 ft in the air at a 5% grade, you need 300 ft. Now imagine a ramp every block.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by bluGill on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:31PM (#21937483)
That depends, is there are network of them such that you can go a few km without going outside, or is it across one road. The latter is worthless for all the reasons you mention. For dense areas (downtown) they are fairly common, office workers can go several buildings over to lunch without going outside, and things are heated in winter.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by CydeWeys on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:06PM (#21937922)
They're fairly common? Can you provide examples?

The closest thing I can think of is a series of connected pedestrian tunnels that you see in some Canadian cities like Montreal and Toronto. Those primarily exist for a different reason; winter is months-long and so cold that you don't want to step foot outside at all. Pedestrian bridges don't accomplish this goal.

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by bluGill on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:40PM (#21938271)
Des Moines IA. Minneapolis MN are two that I know of. They are fully enclosed, building to building. They exist in part because of winter, but have took on a life of their own.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by CydeWeys on Thursday January 02, 2020 @04:10PM (#21939865)
How old is the skyway system? Were the buildings built with this in mind or were they added on later?
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by grzm on Thursday January 02, 2020 @04:18PM (#21939942)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_Skyway_System#Hist...

For Minneapolis, the first segment was built in 1962. Segments are often retrofits, as many of the buildings predate there system.

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by jellicle on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:47PM (#21937694)
Sure, it should take 15 minutes and several flights of stairs to walk across a single street, why not?

Quite a few cities do do this (Florida, I'm looking at you!). It's a terrible design, might as well have a machine that punches all pedestrians in the face as they go by.

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by jessaustin on Thursday January 02, 2020 @05:12PM (#21940510)
It would be even better if the punching machine were somehow controlled by passing automobiles performing extreme maneuvers...
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by _-david-_ on Thursday January 02, 2020 @11:37AM (#21936843)
>Still not sure why they don't have more pedestrian catwalks in cities directly above the roads.

I assume it would cost more in building and maintenance costs than sidewalks.

Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by bluGill on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:34PM (#21937524)
If there is a large network building owners will happily install and maintain them. In some places the expensive store fronts are on the second floor where all the people are: they take those cat walks from building to building without putting a coat on.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by _-david-_ on Thursday January 02, 2020 @09:44PM (#21942587)
Maybe in some areas it may work but for most cities and many places in those cities it just won't work.
Re:Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver... by bluGill on Friday January 03, 2020 @08:50AM (#21945779)
Like any system you need a critical mass of infrastructure before it takes off. Is it worth it for your situation is always a valid question.