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Re:Reiser5 by kick on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:04PM (#21931056)
The tech is still incredibly impressive, I just wish they'd rename it.
Re:Reiser5 by roenxi on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:18PM (#21931473)
Branding isn't a very logical science; so sure they probably should. Them and the GNU Image Manipulation Program, which has 100% lost users because of the stupid name.

That said, we also need to be able to separate the good and bad people do. Reiser in his capacity as a programmer is really a different entity to him in his capacity as a murderer. Celebrating one is not celebrating the other.

It is the stereotypical example, but it is such a good one that it deserves to become a cliche. Fritz Haber was sufficiently evil that apparently his wife committed suicide because of him. The Haber–Bosch process is probably one of the greatest technical contributions to humanity, ever, full stop. Maybe the steam engine can compete or a handful of other things. We can't allow technical excellence to be shunned because the technician had horrible problems - the shunning lessens us all. We can afford for bad people to be remembered if the price they pay is to create something of great use.

Re:Reiser5 by kick on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:42PM (#21931639)
GIMP changing its name seems pointless at this point, especially because of where the conversations there led. It would have been smarter for them to argue that "gimp" is a sexual term, and therefore gross, rather than an antiquated ableist term, because the former is more common than the latter usage (which is never used).

Reiser's accomplishments are already out there, there's no need to continue with his name on something he hasn't contributed a patch to in a decade, and there's literally no harm in changing the name of a program like this; it's not a binary decision between "remember the person" and "use their work," plenty of people have their work utilized despite no one knowing their name. I think that's fine.

Re:Reiser5 by hakfoo on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @08:34PM (#21932224)
I think the "antiquated ableist" form is used for GIMP, but more as a verb than a noun.

"FooCorp will gimp the 700LC with a 30-watt power limit, ensuring it won't compete with the full-performance 700.".

Re:Reiser5 by strainer on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @08:40PM (#21932254)
I'm not convinced by the long term benefit of nitrogen fertiliser synthesis. A significant boom in food production is attributable to it but also long term degradation of agricultural soils, pollution from fertiliser run off and repression of more sustainable agriculture and food distribution options. Perhaps if it had been used to buy time for more ecological and equitable policies it would be more impressive, but it seems only to have advanced the alternative.
Re:Reiser5 by bb010g on Thursday January 02, 2020 @02:49PM (#21939017)
Have you heard of Glimpse Image Editor? https://glimpse-editor.org/
Re:Reiser5 by rurban on Friday January 03, 2020 @03:18PM (#21949874)
ShishkinFS really? It would better, of course, but there should be different options to save it.
Re:Reiser5 by gerdesj on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:25PM (#21931167)
I agree. I used to use reiserfs on everything I touched back in the day: Mandrake, SuSE etc. When Hans R became toxic and ext4 happened to suddenly fit the bill, I followed the rest of the herd and reiserfs3 rapidly fell off the top n filesystem charts. I remember reiser doing some things much, much faster than say ext2, eg directory listing with lots of files. It also seemed to know when to repair itself on boot and simply do the right thing - that would be the journalling that ext2 didn't have and ext3/4 took a while to get working properly.

They could call it rfs or something, anything but reiserfs.

Re:Reiser5 by joyjoyjoy on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:51PM (#21931310)
"much faster than say ext2"

Mordsschnell!

Re:Reiser5 by gerdesj on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:28PM (#21931544)
Not fast but quick.

Aside: "Quick" can mean "alive" - I think that was its original meaning. We should also note that schnell is often translated as "quick" but I think "faster" is better in general. Using a simple dictionary approach to translate mordsschnell into English might come unstuck pretty quickly. With these clues we could arrive at living dead or zombie! I don't know but given how fast the above comment got downvoted that word has some history.

Re:Reiser5 by xorcist on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:36PM (#21931222)
It wouldn't be uncalled for. The past ten years' worth of patches have pretty much come from Edward Shishkin. I can only imagine the work required to keep such a large codebase maintained out of kernel during that time.

The ideas described in the linked email looks quite original, too. The abstraction level between blocks and files have always been a leaky one. It would been interesting to see them implemented. I guess it would require a lot more RAM to be effective but that might not be an impediment these days.

Re:Reiser5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:49PM (#21931297)
”Hans Thomas Reiser (born December 19, 1963) is an American computer programmer, entrepreneur, and convicted murderer.”

Not a great namesake, is it?

Re:Reiser5 by tonyarkles on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:37PM (#21931604)
Potentially eligible for parole this month! https://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov/Details.aspx?ID=G31008
Re:Reiser5 by sjwright on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @07:39PM (#21931935)
Wouldn't it be ironic if the county somehow ...lost the file
Re:Reiser5 by maayank on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:13PM (#21931095)
My thoughts exactly. It's a shame that such interesting developments are shadowed by the brand-name and infamy.
Re:Reiser5 by ironMann on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:48PM (#21931287)
New allocator idea sounds a lot like the metaslab approach used in ZFS.
Re:Reiser5 by ilammy on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:07PM (#21931405)
Why? That’s just a name. If people are that reluctant to use a technology just because a murderer used to develop some parts of it, what would they think of current developers who renamed the project just to conceal that historical fact? Wouldn’t they initiate a grand purge once they learn that somethingelsefs is actually a project that uses code and ideas of reiserfs?
Re:Reiser5 by haymakel on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @07:03PM (#21931750)
You can try rationalizing, but the name immediately raises very unfavorable emotions and associations.

The very first thing I thought about when I saw the headline was Hans Reiser's crime. The first thing I then expected in the comments was a lengthy discussion about that. I am fairly certain that this is fully in line with how most people react.

I don't see how your proposed hypothetical following a name change would take hold. I don't think a name change would be perceived as "concealing", just understandably moving away from a name that has become unfortunate. I think people are more surprised that they haven't.

Re:Reiser5 by throwlaplace on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:13PM (#21931447)
>Why? That’s just a name.

is it really that difficult to attempt empathy?

imagine being one of his kids, growing up to become a developer, and then having to work on code that intersects with reiserfs.

Re:Reiser5 by vilhelm_s on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @07:44PM (#21931981)
It seems his kids are named Reiser too, so presumably they encounter the name quite often? (https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/07/17/jury-awards-hans-reis...)
Re:Reiser5 by cassianoleal on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:25PM (#21931517)
His kids probably bear that same name though, don't they?
Re:Reiser5 by throwlaplace on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:37PM (#21931610)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Reiser_pleads_not_...

since kids are in Russia i highly doubt that.

Re:Reiser5 by cassianoleal on Thursday January 02, 2020 @11:39AM (#21936858)
I don't see the relation between the country where they live and them changing their names. I couldn't find any news to that effect either. Seems like a bit of a stretch.
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Re:Reiser5 by throwlaplace on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:52PM (#21931696)
>Imagine we spent all of our energy avoiding already unlikely situations that might marginally harm ~2 out of 7.5 billion people on earth.

false dichotomy. this isn't a choice between not doing it and doing it absolutely always. i'm not claiming we need to spend all of our energy.

i think today we spend very little of our energy optimizing for any kind of empathy let alone marginal. so any increase is still well within manageable (in terms of cost).

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Re:Reiser5 by cassianoleal on Thursday January 02, 2020 @11:49AM (#21936950)
In my experience, autistics are very empathic. Sometimes in different ways than neurotypicals, and how it's displayed might be different as well.

Googling something like "quora autistic empathy" will give you plenty of informed posts about the subject. I recommend reading the ones written by actual autistics.

Here are a few examples:

- https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-think-autistic-people-deal-...

- https://www.quora.com/Can-autistic-people-be-empathetic

- https://www.quora.com/Can-people-with-ASD-Asperger-Syndrome-...

Re:Reiser5 by gdy on Friday January 03, 2020 @06:34PM (#21951479)
Thank you, the last link shows it was utterly wrong to use autism as an example.
Re:Reiser5 by ilammy on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:35PM (#21931593)
So... how changing a name averts that situation? By hoping that the kid never finds out? And should current developers rather abstain from continuing development as they obviously behave as insensitive egoistic jerks that instead should drink some brain bleach, bury the project, and move on? Come one, that’s ridiculous. It’s more irrational than blaming the gun for the murder: it’s like blaming the word for that and pretending that if you call it something else then it did not happen.
Re:Reiser5 by throwlaplace on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:39PM (#21931627)
you're still not making the attempt; it requires imagining being that person. my point is very simple and obvious: having to constantly be presented with the name of your abuser is painful.
Re:Reiser5 by Yver on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:45PM (#21931658)
If you have to imagine it then this is concern trolling.
Re:Reiser5 by throwlaplace on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:47PM (#21931668)
i don't understand what you're getting at? that's the definition of empathy:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empat...

the implication is that even though i haven't had my mother murdered i can simulate the experience and thereby relate (to an extent) to someone that has and make decisions with those insights in mind.

Edit: I just realized that what you probably meant is that if it's never happened to me then I can't genuinely be concerned. I didn't even know that that was something people believed. Interesting. Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?

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Re:Reiser5 by throwlaplace on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @07:55PM (#21932030)
I'm posting from a throwaway. What is the incentive for me to signal anything?
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Re:Reiser5 by throwlaplace on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @09:46PM (#21932561)
Makes no sense - signals have to have objects. If I wanted to feel better than others I just would
Re:Reiser5 by popularrecluse on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @08:11PM (#21932113)
Ah... "virtue signaling". What the sociopaths among us have branded empathy they cannot feel or understand in others. Just because it is not an emotion you have, does not mean it is not real for others.
Re:Reiser5 by jyounker on Thursday January 02, 2020 @08:47AM (#21935280)
Is concern trolling newspeak for expressing empathy?
Re:Reiser5 by mike_hock on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:20PM (#21931133)
Right? Imagine running a company under the name Hitler Inc. after the end of world war 2. The name just needlessly taints the project which is (obviously) not run by the convicted murderer anymore.
Re:Reiser5 by Gibbon1 on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @07:28PM (#21931878)
Imagine running for the EU Parliament with the last name Mussolini.
Re:Reiser5 by joyjoyjoy on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:49PM (#21931296)
Re:Reiser5 by sneak on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:11PM (#21931429)
Why? He’ll probably be out next summer.
Re:Reiser5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Thursday January 02, 2020 @05:12AM (#21934154)
His former wife will still be dead.