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Re:Sam Altman and Andrew Yang talk UBI by dragonwriter on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @03:55AM (#21927291)
Payroll tax, including the nominally “employer” portion, is really a tax on worker pay (the employer portion just makes the rate seem lower; for an honest accounting, it would be counted in both employee pay and employee taxes) as it comes out of what the employer is willing to pay for the work.
Re:Sam Altman and Andrew Yang talk UBI by maehwasu on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @09:14AM (#21928083)
It effectively raises the price the company has to pay and thus lowers profits.
Re:Sam Altman and Andrew Yang talk UBI by PaulDavisThe1st on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @10:26AM (#21928345)
It's functionally shows up as a cost, but that doesn't make it a tax.

Consider: if a company had no profits at all, then for some period of time it would still (1) pay its employees (2) pay the payroll tax on behalf of those employees. The amount of payroll tax is 100% determined by employee compensation, not corporate profit (even if those two are indirectly connected).

You're more or less arguing that employee compensation is a tax too, since it also "raises the price the company has to pay and thus lowers profits".

Re:Sam Altman and Andrew Yang talk UBI by maehwasu on Thursday January 02, 2020 @08:46AM (#21935271)
Employee compensation does indeed raise the price the company has to pay. However, it doesn’t end up in government coffers, making it not a tax. This isn’t rocket science.
Re:Sam Altman and Andrew Yang talk UBI by dragonwriter on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @10:49AM (#21928463)
> It effectively raises the price the company has to pay and thus lowers profits.

Just like any other tax on employee income does, yes; unlike taxes on company profits, and like other taxes on employee income, it's effect on the company can be minimized by finding (or developing) and adopting less labor-cost intensive business methods even if they are higher (before tax) total cost.