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Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by ljw1001 on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @07:01AM (#21920472)
Trying to understand politics by watching the Web stream go flowing by is pointless. You need high-quality, big picture stuff that requires effort to produce and consume.

In the US, the NYTimes and the Washington Post are the best sources.

To ensure you're exposure is 'fair and balanced' I would add the Economist for a more conservative, but not xenophobic or straight-up nonsensical viewpoint. It has the nice additional bonus of being more global.

Foreign Affairs and Foreign Policy are excellent journals for, well, US foreign policy. Finally, the New Yorker has fantastic longer-form articles on American politics.

Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by thrwaway69 on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @12:23PM (#21922673)
Just thought, I would put this here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_controver...

https://theduran.com/the-washington-post-admits-that-its-fak...

https://www.rt.com/usa/369598-washington-post-fake-propagand...

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/washington-pos...

Search engines are progressively getting worse or I am finally becoming an old boomer. I can't search anything without being bombarded with amp links focused on something completely unrelated. I tried duckduckgo, yes it is better but still not comparable to the results I was getting back.

If anything's a good metric for "propaganda or fake news", it's that they all use amp.

Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by highhedgehog on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @07:03AM (#21920477)
What about Wall Street Journal?
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by ljw1001 on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @10:18AM (#21921512)
Great news content. Very rupert-murdoch-driven editorial bias
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by bscphil on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @12:58PM (#21922965)
I've been reading WSJ for a long time because of their news reporting (I'm vaguely left wing on the American left-right spectrum). Recently however I've been pretty shocked to see them taking a right wing party line in some major stories, including this one about recent events in Bolivia (widely denounced as a coup by those on the left): https://www.wsj.com/articles/bolivias-accidental-leader-trie...
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by poulsbohemian on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @02:54PM (#21924159)
The WSJ has great content. But, with the WSJ, Economist, and even WaPo, I stopped subscribing to each because the editorials / opinion pages were vile. Look, I'm all about critical dialog, but when propagandists are given a soap box to spread nonsense (IE: flat out gaslighting lies), the purpose of the press in public good is abused. As the saying goes, people are entitled to opinions, not facts.
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by chrisweekly on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @07:31AM (#21920579)
conservative bias
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by lukeqsee on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @07:42AM (#21920627)
> bias

…is not by definition bad. Every publication publishes with bias (recognized and announced or not). Prejudice and unannounced (or not well-known) is what you want to avoid. Reading a "conservative bias" is a good thing, if only to better understand that point of view, regardless of if you agree or not.

Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by chrisweekly on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @09:11AM (#21921081)
Agreed! I respect Andrew Sullivan, who said something like "transparency is the new objectivity."
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by leereeves on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @07:41AM (#21920623)
And NYT and WaPo each have a bias as well, often very similar.

And why not at least listen to people with more than one point of view?

Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by threatofrain on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @08:32AM (#21920871)
Financial establishment kind of conservative, not what many would think of American conservatism in general.
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by jrockway on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @10:16AM (#21921486)
I disagree with that. The stuff from the newsroom is basically identical to what you'd read in the New York Times, and doesn't seem very conservatively biased. Put the NYT's CSS on there and you'd not think anything was out of place. There is a little bit more of a focus on "business" articles; what company is buying what other company, how well the semiconductor industry is going to do this year, etc. I never see that in the NYT... but that is certainly not a conservative bias. It's just what they choose to cover.

The editorials are what you'd expect in a conservative newspaper. 50% of them are rah rah about how great Trump is (today's sampling: "Trump Finally Fires Back at Iran"), and the other 50% is how taxes are evil (today's sampling: "How Tariffs Hurt Manufacturing").

I am not sure who reads these or why newspapers pay these opinion columnists / editorial boards. They are always so extreme that they just drive readers away and let them brand the newsroom as "fake news" or "biased", when in reality the newsroom and editorial boards don't even talk with each other. The NYT did a series recently about how the editorial board and opinion columns operate, and it solidified in my mind that they shouldn't exist. It just lowers the reputation of the news-gathering portion of the business, as people associate an editorial they disagree with as bias in the news-gathering.

I read both the WSJ and the NYT because people on HN had me convinced that one was more biased than the other and that I was missing out on deep insights perpetrated by some sort of cabal. A year of reading both has told me that the conspiracy theories are not accurate. Both seem happy to hold the government to account. Neither routinely fabricate stories. You can subscribe to one or the other and not miss a thing. Don't read the editorials unless you are super liberal or super conservative and want some porn along with your morning coffee.

Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @07:44PM (#21925839)
I subscribe to both as well. They both have journalistic integrity and try their best to report facts without bias, but I think it's a little disingenuous to suggest that their own biases don't unintentionally leak into the publications.

> It's just what they choose to cover.

I think these choices matter. Based on the stories they choose to run, the NYT comes across as undoubtedly intersectional, a bit globalist, and pro-market in the Bill Clinton sense. In contrast, the WSJ doesn't write much about social issues and is a more explicit proponent of free trade. It's a subtle distinction -- I'm sure the staff of each are amiable toward each other and mingle freely in New York City -- but if you had to collapse all their viewpoints into a single point on a 1-dimensional scale, they would land on slightly different places on the left-right political spectrum.

Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by basch on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @09:53AM (#21921324)
Conservative Perspective: WSJ, Economist, The Hill, Reason, and National Review
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by bag531 on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @10:49AM (#21921791)
Krystal Ball from The Hill is a gem.
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by monocularvision on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:25AM (#21922148)
Reason is libertarian, not conservative.
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by eldavido on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:38AM (#21922291)
Tangent, but I wish we'd come up with better labels for our viewpoints in the US than "conservative" or "liberal". It's been on my mind a lot lately.

"The Once and Future Liberalism" explores this idea in depth: https://www.the-american-interest.com/2012/01/24/the-once-an...

"Liberal" is maybe the most overloaded word in politics. "classical liberalism", "economic liberalism", "liberal democracy", what the American right means when they say "liberals" - all WAY different.

Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by bscphil on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @12:54PM (#21922927)
I feel sure it's going to happen in the next several decades. More and more people on the left are not liberals or are even anti-liberals. The right is currently dominated by a wing that's not traditional-conservative. Arguably that's been the case at least since Reagan, actually - the word "conservative" has dramatically shifted in meaning over the last 75 years.
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by Patatarte on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @08:56AM (#21920992)
But it’s heavily lefty sided and lacks perspective.
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by pjc50 on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @07:18AM (#21920526)
NYT will happily publish "high-quality big picture" antisemitism of the oldest and most eugenic sort: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/28/bret-stephens-...
Re:Ask HN: What are your news sources other than HN? by ageitgey on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @08:58AM (#21921002)
NYT publishes all kinds of inflammatory stuff it its Op-Ed section. I don't think you should read the Op-Ed section too seriously (or at all). It's not up to the same bar as the rest of their reporting. It's their way to compete for clicks in a click-driven economy. Stick to the news sections.