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Re:Ask HN: How to stand out as a junior engineer by rvz on Monday December 30, 2019 @09:41PM (#21918560)
> I feel like I've picked the wrong career or that something is wrong with me - I sincerely appreciate any help or advice any of you are generous enough to offer.

The problem here is that the barrier to becoming a 'developer' these days is being lowered every week due to the millions of other 'developers' attending bootcamps or graduating from university just like yourself. CS is still a lucrative career option, its just that hiring managers can't deal with the same abundance of devs to choose from and will select those from their internal professional network or recommended by their own colleagues. This applies to everyone entering the field.

It's even harder for juniors and more difficult if you have little to no experience, thus resorting into doing the coding interview lottery (Which is deliberately rigged to waste your time). I don't see why someone like you with open-source contributions and with some experience still end up in this interviewing game. Perhaps with the background you have, you could create your own startup with some former colleagues to join, or obtain multiple referrals from current employees before applying. Both have varying degrees of risk and possibly have a 50:50 chance of going either way.

But if I saw a junior developer that created a profitable startup or side-project with several employees, it tells me that they're clever enough to apply their skills into practice, very quick to learn and they get lots of experience for free. That is a standout junior which I would bet on to easily train to become senior.

Re:Ask HN: How to stand out as a junior engineer by batt4good on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:06AM (#21921966)
Yeah, I've learned the hard way that networking is 96% of the key to having a stellar career without leetcode BS. I decided to not burn my savings staying in Boston and moved back to ATX to live with family. However, I'm strongly considering moving back to NYC or Boston solely because of the networking advantage.

It's also soul crushing to know I now have to compete with stay at home moms and liberal arts dropouts who went to bootcamps for positions...

I've thought about doing my own startup I just strongly don't believe I have the technical chops to deliver, but maybe I should take a swing to save my career chances and avoid wasting 4+ years of my life getting a CS degree?

Re:Ask HN: How to stand out as a junior engineer by subrat_rout on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:33AM (#21922242)
Not to sound negative but if a junior developer can create a profitable startup and hire several employees then why he/she would go to knock doors for a job? If I can have a profitable project then I can hire a senior dev full-time or part-time to mentor/teach me. Right?
Re:Ask HN: How to stand out as a junior engineer by abj on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @02:16PM (#21923685)
As a junior developer trying to create a profitable startup - the answer is you typically need some capital to pay living expenses before your company takes off. This can be 6 months to a year (take minimum expenses in a medium cost of living city, maybe 20k for 12 months). If you're starting from a savings account of $2,000 after college you're going to need a get a junior job and save that $18,000. The other option is to seek funding, which is a great idea but not garunteed when you need a solid plan to pay rent in 2 months.

You're right - ideally if you can create a profitable startup there's no need to knock down doors for a job. That's the dream I'm chasing and I'm sure a lot of others are too.

Re:Ask HN: How to stand out as a junior engineer by rvz on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @03:32PM (#21924482)
> You're right - ideally if you can create a profitable startup there's no need to knock down doors for a job.

Exactly with both you and the parent. This path saves you from spending your valuable time, skills and energy on leetcode/hackerrank puzzles just for a job and there's no need to do this or knock down doors for one if your startup is profitable.

I would rather create a startup with a solid business-model which requires limited funding that later pays itself (I know it is easier said than done) than to subject myself to frivolous whiteboard programming tasks that are never used in practice. But note that raising too much capital, trades in more control to VCs to decide the fate of your startup.

I find it worth the risk to carry on with working on a startup to bypass the interview games. So please keep going with your startup plans.

Re:Ask HN: How to stand out as a junior engineer by batt4good on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @05:53PM (#21925357)
This is really comforting to hear. I've actually started and operated two unrelated businesses I used to fund my college expenses so I'm relatively well versed in the process of finding a problem / niche and developing around it.

To be frank, burning time doing leetcode makes me hate coding because I don't find it interesting or a decent use of time (outside of building up a stupid toy skill to pass interviews).