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Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by grawprog on Saturday December 28, 2019 @05:04PM (#21902114)
Just curious, because i've never really understood, I see this a lot without much explanation. I've used gimp for years for various image and photo things and haven't used Photoshop since the mid 2000's, what's so bad about gimp in comparison, other than the ui(which to me seems much the same as old versions of photoshop), to Photoshop?
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by akersten on Saturday December 28, 2019 @06:07PM (#21902449)
Personal and strongly-held opinion follows:

The biggest drawback of GIMP is that it is the least intuitive software I or anyone I've asked in person has ever used.

Basic operations like making selections, cropping, and moving selections or layers are a chore. The keyboard shortcuts don't make any sense, and the tool icons all look the same, so I wind up hovering over each one to find the dang crop tool in the first place. Oh, it's the one that looks like an X-acto knife instead of the universal brackets icon for crop.

The selection tool is just weird. You can highlight a region of the image, but to manipulate or transform it, there's no "Control+T" equivalent as far as I've discovered.

The whole thing feels like a mess coming from Photoshop. Paint .NET has far and away better usability.

Sure, you can accomplish the same things, eventually, and I guess that makes them both capable image editors. But using GIMP feels like I'm interacting with a machination of Dr. Seuss if he had to draw a Whoville contraption that edited photos.

Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by bscphil on Saturday December 28, 2019 @09:11PM (#21903385)
> The biggest drawback of GIMP is that it is the least intuitive software I or anyone I've asked in person has ever used.

Personally I find GIMP far more intuitive than Photoshop. The problem with GIMP for me is that most of the editing tools are pretty low quality, across the board. The text layer tool is terrible, the filters aren't very good, support for non-destructive editing is missing, the quality of edits are pretty bad - at least for a long time curve adjustments were done in 8 bits, leading to banding when trying to do almost any kind of significant adjustment. That might still be the case, it wouldn't surprise me.

Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by trynewideas on Saturday December 28, 2019 @09:41PM (#21903545)
>> GIMP is the least intuitive software I or anyone I've asked in person has ever used

> Personally I find GIMP far more intuitive than Photoshop

Whew, we did it! I was worried for a few minutes, but we're still at 100% of GIMP/Photoshop comparisons containing this exchange in the comments.

Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by bscphil on Sunday December 29, 2019 @11:27AM (#21906692)
Well, that's not all that surprising, is it? The reason the response is required is because people who use Photoshop frequently feel that it's just obvious to everyone that GIMP's interface is bad, and they need to be reminded that quite a few people find it more simple and intuitive.

Other parts of the complaint don't make a lot of sense either. For example the complaint about the icons -- I agree, the default icons are completely unintelligible. But GIMP ships with alternative icon sets, several of which are far easier for me to use and discern.

As someone who does use Photoshop sometimes, and still uses Lightroom as my primary tool for photography, I still prefer GIMP and its simple interface for quick edits.

Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by therein on Saturday December 28, 2019 @08:05PM (#21903080)
Yup, this summarizes exactly my gripe with GIMP.

As you said, Paint.NET has far better usability despite GIMP actually having more features.

The icons really need an overhaul with GIMP, that hovering over each icon to see if it is the crop tool, and lack of Control+T struck all too close to home.

Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by Izkata on Saturday December 28, 2019 @08:35PM (#21903220)
> The selection tool is just weird. You can highlight a region of the image, but to manipulate or transform it, there's no "Control+T" equivalent as far as I've discovered.

I don't know what ctrl+T is (there may be some nuance I'm missing), but in Gimp the corner resize handles are always visible in a selection, the side handles appear on mouseover, and moving a selection is click+drag in the center.

Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by akersten on Sunday December 29, 2019 @01:07AM (#21904338)
Control+T is the shortcut in Photoshop for Free Transform, which turns your selected region into a click+drag target for translating; the corners and edges become resize handles for the selected content; outside of the corners becomes a rotate click target. There's also now a context menu for more advanced transformations like Skew, Perspective, etc.

It's pretty much an all-in-one toolbox of most anything you'd want to do with a selection, and I could never find a good equivalent of that in GIMP.

Regarding the handles in GIMP - last I tried them, they resized the selection region, rather than the underlying image, which was immensely frustrating.

Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by Izkata on Sunday December 29, 2019 @02:01AM (#21904542)
Ah yeah, that's nothing like what I thought you meant. That said, if I wanted to do something like that in Gimp, I'd just cut-paste - this creates a temporary layer with the content positioned exactly where it was before, where you can use the standard layer manipulation tools to transform it. You can then use either the "new layer" button to promote it fully, or "anchor" to paste it back onto the original.
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by Grue3 on Sunday December 29, 2019 @03:50AM (#21904889)
There's Unified transform tool in GIMP 2.10 which does what you describe (the default shortcut is shift-T).
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by errantspark on Saturday December 28, 2019 @05:59PM (#21902403)
I haven't seriously taken a look at gimp in ages if I'm honest, but iirc it still doesn't have adjustment layers or support for more than 8bpp or color spaces other than RGB. The UI being awful is a major point against too, as is the poor performance. I'm sure there are use-cases where gimp is equivalent to Photoshop. I primarily use Photoshop in 16bit Lab color, so just off that it's a no-go.
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by hellozee on Saturday December 28, 2019 @05:05PM (#21902118)
No non destructive editing available is one of the biggest drawbacks
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by washadjeffmad on Saturday December 28, 2019 @06:03PM (#21902425)
Does the history or duplicating the working/background layer not cover that?
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by stan_rogers on Saturday December 28, 2019 @08:28PM (#21903197)
No, it doesn't. Adjustment layers aren't committed; they're just a set of instructions that can later be altered.
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by imglorp on Saturday December 28, 2019 @05:54PM (#21902383)
Isn't that what layers are for?
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by hellozee on Sunday December 29, 2019 @01:27AM (#21904408)
Take an example you scaled down and 1000x1000px image to 100x100px and then scaled it up back to 1000x1000px. In the process you lost a lot of info on the image.

PS solves that by using Smart Objects, Krita by Transform Masks, GIMP? Nope

Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by cannedslime on Sunday December 29, 2019 @08:37AM (#21905818)
To be fair, photoshop didnt always do this. I still use CS2 and it definetely doesn't work like you describe.

I'd say that GIMP is somewhat comparable to the feature set of CS2, though I admit I havent used gimp much.

Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by hellozee on Sunday December 29, 2019 @09:12AM (#21905937)
Smart Objects were introduced in CS2, so no, :)
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by cannedslime on Sunday December 29, 2019 @11:49AM (#21906869)
Ah you are right. It gives the illusion of quality loss until you commit the change, and then it looks crisp again.
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by thedaemon on Monday December 30, 2019 @02:29PM (#21915962)
Obviously you should loose all of your details. You shouldn't be doing this at any rate.
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by iudqnolq on Saturday December 28, 2019 @07:40PM (#21902954)
Gimp has most of the "magic" tools Photoshop has, but their algorithms perform inferiorly. For example, "automatically snap this selection to the outline of this thing in the image" (magnetic lasso tool).
Re:Linux doesn't have Photoshop by claudiawerner on Sunday December 29, 2019 @07:53AM (#21905641)
Use Gimp's circle tool to create a circle. Create a new layer. Now, try and chance the dimensions of the circle itself rather than upscaling (and pixellating) it. As far as I know, this is not possible in Gimp, but it's expected in Photoshop.