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Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by matheusmoreira on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:15AM (#21897462)
> ethical advertising, what it looks like

Word of mouth. Reviews by third parties that don't have any conflicts of interest and which list your competitors and how their offerings compare to your product.

Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by Nextgrid on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:58AM (#21897934)
I think advertising can also be ethical in the current "push" model (aka a free service shows you ads in exchange for not paying) provided some conditions are met:

No stalking - the ads should either be tailored to the currently visible content, or the user should be allowed to select which kind of ads they want to see.

Accountability - the service showing the ads shares some responsibility if the ad or advertised product ends up malicious, fraudulent, etc. This means services will be much more selective in which kind of ads they show, inline with print magazines & billboards (you usually won't see malware or scams in magazines because their reputation is on the line).

Transparency - the details of who paid for the ad, and the targeting criteria (if any) should be clearly displayed. Also, the service should provide a page where users can browse & search all ads (not just political or sensitive ones) that have ever been published on the platform.

Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by matheusmoreira on Saturday December 28, 2019 @04:08AM (#21897976)
Blockability - the ads are designed to be easy to block and make no attempt to circumvent the blocker.
Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by jefftk on Saturday December 28, 2019 @06:53AM (#21898449)
Since this is a "free service shows you ads in exchange for not paying" it seems to me like detecting the ad blocking and returning no content should be ok?
Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by Nextgrid on Saturday December 28, 2019 @09:21AM (#21899020)
I feel like detecting ad blocking is a slippery slope that would allow all kinds of abuse bordering on stalking, bad performance, etc.

If ads followed the model I'm suggesting there would be much less reasons to block them. I don't hate ads per se, I just hate scams, annoyances and stalking. If I can actually choose which ads I see and have some guarantee that they aren't scams I would actually engage with the ads.

Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by EncryptEntropy on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:15PM (#21900579)
I hate all ads. I will go to any length to block all ads. I will avoid buying any products by any company that serves web ads. I can’t stand folks who shill for the good of advertising.
Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by Nextgrid on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:22PM (#21900629)
I somewhat disagree. Online ads in their current form are cancer, but that isn’t the entire advertising market.

Print ads aren’t bad and in fact people are happy to buy magazines with the idea that there are ads in there. In fact, ads are IMO part of the magazine experience and allow you to discover new products.

I personally would like to see ads as long as the points I outlined above are met.

Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by jefftk on Saturday December 28, 2019 @10:44AM (#21899429)
Detecting ad blocking is very simple unless the ad blocker tries to work around it. You find some url pattern that the blocker matches (ex: "/ads.js"), and test whether it's blocked. No stalking, bad performance, etc, required.
Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by Nextgrid on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:30PM (#21900220)
My point is that it'll be worked around by blockers, which means they'll then implement more robust methods (which as a side-effect might break accessibility, see how Facebook splits the "sponsored" subtitle in lots of spans) and so on and so forth.

Instead, the ads should be done in such a way that most people don't have any incentive in blocking them (I personally would like to see ads provided that 1) they are vetted and 2) they are for products I'm interested in, based on the choices I make in my profile). Given that, the few outliers that would still end up blocking them wouldn't be a problem worth solving (you can always offer a paid tier to remove ads for the people that truly don't want any ads).

Re:Behind the One-Way Mirror: A Dive into the Technology of ... by tomjen3 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:28PM (#21900200)
Well no one is obligated to give me content, but I wouldn't call that ethical.