Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by colomon on Monday February 07, 2011 @05:19AM
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"This is a big moment in solar physics," says Vourlidas. "STEREO has revealed the sun as it really is--a sphere of hot plasma and intricately woven magnetic fields."
Is it just me, or does that sound suspiciously like it is from an Onion article? I mean, it's very cool (and presumably useful) to have a full-time 360 view of the sun. But I'm pretty sure the idea the sun is a sphere of hot plasma is not startlingly new information...
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by tialys on Monday February 07, 2011 @09:41AM
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The point is, for the first time in human history, we can see by direct observation that the sun is in fact a sphere. It's not huge in the sense that "We were right!", but rather that wow... now we can actually see it!
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by novas0x2a on Monday February 07, 2011 @05:15AM
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You do not really want the raw data (it generally looks something like this[1], from the COR telescope, "FITS" format[2]. Warning: mix of ascii and binary). Anyway, this[3] links to where they are putting the raw and first-order-derived mission data they have released so far (if you want more of what you saw, you probably want SECCHI). And here[4] is an example of said derived data. And this[5] seems to be where they seem to be putting highlighted derived products for public outreach.
Generally, there is very little money and little expertise for polished public outreach efforts (they are scientists, not web developers, after all). There is a good chance the scientists behind [3] are doing some of it in their "spare" time. Feel free to drop them an email and let them know it is appreciated :)
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by ugh on Monday February 07, 2011 @05:51AM
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The image in the article is also not really low-res. As far as I can see Stereo’s CCDs have a resolution of 2048x2048, the image in the press release is 1280x720, that’s not exactly a substantial reduction (also considering that the two images from the two spacecraft were heavily distorted to create this side-view of the sun).
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by geuis on Monday February 07, 2011 @03:49AM
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Don't vote him down, that's a valid point. Much NASA data is made public, but it might not be linked from this particular site. I would recommend looking around and seeing if you can't find it.
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by Groxx on Monday February 07, 2011 @04:57AM
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Am I the only one who sees this and wonders why there's such a large discrepancy between the right and left halves? Were they taken days / weeks / months apart or something? It kind of defeats the point of "stereo" to do so.
Specifically, why is that white splotch in such a radically different location (remember, diameter of the sun as Google states it is 1,391,000 km, that's gotta be near 100,000 km difference).
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by zacharycohn on Monday February 07, 2011 @02:22AM
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I read this article this morning. I wonder why they didn't launch one satellite into Orbit A, wait 6 months[1], then launch the second satellite into Orbit A, but from the other side of the sun. Then, once they maneuvered into position, we'd have satellites stationed on both sides permanently.
It seems like that would be a lot faster, and would also ensure we can maintain our full view of the sun for a long period of time.
[1]Or however long it would take to get to the opposite side of the sun, accounting for the first satellite's movements.
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by civilian on Monday February 07, 2011 @02:58AM
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The stereos aren't staying in place, they start in the same orbit as Earth (and thus, with the same orbital speed). So we need to gently speed them up and slow them down. It would be inefficient to have the first probe burn a lot of fuel to stop, burn some fuel so it won't get pulled into the sun, and then 6 months later burn some fuel to resume orbit.
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by phirephly on Monday February 07, 2011 @03:26AM
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What he's saying is gently slow one down, then six months later gently slow down another. Then there will always be two opposing sats.
Only reason I can think of is that there is either other experiments on-board that they need to recover (solar wind collectors, etc), or that they were both taken up in the same launch vehicle, which would be the lion's share of the expense of this experiment.
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by mturmon on Monday February 07, 2011 @07:29PM
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Nope, you're not understanding the issue.
If you launch the first sat into Orbit A, it still has the orbital velocity of the Earth. Unless you can slow the first sat down a lot, it will continue to track along in about the same place as the Earth.
Waiting 6 months will accomplish very little in that case. The reason is, in 6 months, the Earth and the first sat will be in nearly the same place.
Re:First-ever images of the entire Sun
by phirephly on Tuesday February 08, 2011 @04:04AM
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Agreed. I missed it. You'd probably have to wait something like 8 years for a long-term solution. With American ADD, wouldn't count on it actually happening.
Is it just me, or does that sound suspiciously like it is from an Onion article? I mean, it's very cool (and presumably useful) to have a full-time 360 view of the sun. But I'm pretty sure the idea the sun is a sphere of hot plasma is not startlingly new information...
I wish NASA would release versions in whatever the native dimensions/resolutions they are receiving the image data back in.
Generally, there is very little money and little expertise for polished public outreach efforts (they are scientists, not web developers, after all). There is a good chance the scientists behind [3] are doing some of it in their "spare" time. Feel free to drop them an email and let them know it is appreciated :)
1) http://sharpp.nrl.navy.mil//postflight/lz/L0/a/seq/cor1/2011...
2) http://fits.gsfc.nasa.gov/
3) http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/data.shtml
4) http://cdaw.gsfc.nasa.gov/movie/make_javamovie.php?img1=stb_...)
5) http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/gallery.shtml
By the way, I found this wiki about processing and analyzing SECCHI’s images, if you wanted to you could presumably learn about it and start processing images on your own: http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.DataProces...
1) http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/software/fitsio/fitsio.htm...
2) http://www.gdal.org/frmt_various.html#FITS
Specifically, why is that white splotch in such a radically different location (remember, diameter of the sun as Google states it is 1,391,000 km, that's gotta be near 100,000 km difference).
It seems like that would be a lot faster, and would also ensure we can maintain our full view of the sun for a long period of time.
[1]Or however long it would take to get to the opposite side of the sun, accounting for the first satellite's movements.
Only reason I can think of is that there is either other experiments on-board that they need to recover (solar wind collectors, etc), or that they were both taken up in the same launch vehicle, which would be the lion's share of the expense of this experiment.
If you launch the first sat into Orbit A, it still has the orbital velocity of the Earth. Unless you can slow the first sat down a lot, it will continue to track along in about the same place as the Earth.
Waiting 6 months will accomplish very little in that case. The reason is, in 6 months, the Earth and the first sat will be in nearly the same place.
The key concept is known as "delta-v" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-v). It's the change-in-velocity allowed by a certain amount of fuel. Here's some more on the STEREO mission trajectory: http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/orbit.shtml It's worth it to watch the movie.
Gravity assist can help a lot, but it also takes a lot of time.
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