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Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by Baeocystin on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @02:59PM (#21874505)
If someone genuinely spent the time to help catch errors in my manuscripts, I'd be thrilled. Editors are expensive!

That the automated system as described can be abused is a real problem, and that needs to be addressed. But that is a separate issue from the generally bad state of what passes for final edits in many books nowadays. That the author in question can't be bothered to keep a current copy of their manuscript leaves me lukewarm on the issue.

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by mintplant on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @04:09PM (#21874926)
She could be traveling for the holidays and away from her usual setup. Someone in the replies mentions having this happen to them while in rural Newfoundland for a funeral, equipped with only a cellphone and a spotty connection.

Either way, I bet many programmers would run into trouble if asked to drop everything and immediately spin back up a production-ready environment for a project they haven't touched in a year.

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by notafraudster on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @09:27PM (#21876322)
I think it's reasonable to assume that if a store discovers a serious product defect, they should be able to expect the producer to respond in a short period of time or pull the product for sale. If the product is not important and never gets fixed, it never goes on sale. If other things take priority, it's off sale for a while and comes back. If it's the most urgent thing in the producer's business, it gets fixed immediately and never lapses.

I would argue that the whole point of having a publisher is to avoid having to do this kind of thing yourself, but I know many authors forego publishers because publishers don't want to publish their stuff or they don't agree with the publisher's cut. Both reasonable objections.

It's sort of like if you own a restaurant. If someone dies in your family, and at the same time a health inspection gets failed, you have one of two options: Drop everything and coordinate passing the inspection; or deal with your family stuff first and lose income when your product is not selling in the mean time. The more employees and structure you have, the easiest it is to get away for a few days. The more it's a sole proprietorship, the more your fate is in your hands.

(FWIW I am from Newfoundland -- although I'm not an author -- and while the isolation of rural areas is not exaggerated in the comment, it's also not a surprise to people traveling there. When I travel home, which in the last few years has just been for funerals, I have a plan in place)

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by jtbayly on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @09:42PM (#21876400)
One author mentions that publishers don’t care enough to do anything about it, leaving the author once again the one punished.

It’s not as though this is a result of self-publishing.

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by Baeocystin on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @04:18PM (#21874978)
A full book manuscript is tiny, and requires zero spinup whatsoever, unless you count opening a PDF or DOCX file as such. I have a copy of everything I've written over the past thirty years available immediately, and it would fit on a $4 thumb drive. If my career depended on it, I would be quite certain to have it with me at all times.
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by shakna on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @08:23PM (#21876099)
> A full book manuscript is tiny, and requires zero spinup whatsoever, unless you count opening a PDF or DOCX file as such.

That is not uncommon, but neither is it the quantitative norm. A lot of authors are particular about the typesetting of their documents, and it does require a rendering environment.

It isn't unusual for a half-LaTeX half-something-else monstrosity to be rendered in a semi-custom environment. Especially if you're dealing with anything academic.

In those kinds of environments you may have a ton of assets, like graphs, that may either be large file-sizes, and/or re-generated during the rendering process from various large datasets. Those assets are not small, and may prevent you holding much more than a couple books on your $4 thumb drive.

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by Baeocystin on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @12:12AM (#21876958)
If you have to use an academic, LaTeX monstrosity as an example to even somewhat limit the number of books you can store for a few dollars, surely we can just agree that the cost of storage is inconsequential compared to what an author will produce over their career output?
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by shakna on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @01:30AM (#21877213)
Perhaps. But months and years down the line, recreating an environment to regenerate the book can take considerable effort.
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by JasonFruit on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @06:26PM (#21875628)
I have a book that is generated from a sqlite database, and is dependent on a certain version range of Scribus and Lilypond. It would take me days to get a setup that would work for me to make changes to it, but it saved me years of work in the initial edition.
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by Filligree on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @06:49PM (#21875718)
That's not exactly typical, to be fair.
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by JasonFruit on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @12:08AM (#21876948)
It gets worse. There was Python, elisp, Lilypond . . . it was a whole thing. But what I describe above is just what it would take to make changes now.
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by pmiller2 on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @05:40PM (#21875422)
And what if you _didn’t know_ your “career depended on it?” What then?
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Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by pmiller2 on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @06:03PM (#21875529)
Does “readily available” equate to “on your person at all times?” I’m sure the greats all did so before flash drives of sufficient capacity were available, right?

Should a professional accountant keep copies of all the tax returns they prepared, on a flash drive that’s with them at all times, in case a client gets audited? Should I keep a copy of every line of code I ever wrote? Where does this professional responsibility end for you?

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by Baeocystin on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @06:46PM (#21875702)
I've written and published myself. Keeping manuscripts handy is part of the job. The problems mentioned in the twitter thread didn't exist before digital distribution, so what authors did beforehand is a bit of a non-sequitur. There were fewer of them, and the ones that made a living by it had real support on the business side of things, something vanishingly rare nowadays.

Accountants are required by law to maintain a minimum of seven years' worth of records for exactly that reason.

Fundamentally, if you want to sell a book you've written, no one is going to care more than you. That means that if you're a small, unsupported author (the vast majority of cases), it's on you to take care of the annoyances that come along for the ride. That's the nature of work. That flagging can be used as a form or harassment is a genuine problem- this is an inevitable side-effect of systems designed for pure automation, without a human in the loop to provide feedback. Over-reliance on automation is an issue that goes far beyond the world of publishing. That is orthogonal to the issue of being responsible for one's own creation, in terms of having needed resources on-hand.

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by lmm on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @08:06PM (#21876033)
Would you have your portfolio on your person at all times? Probably not, but you wouldn't go on a long trip without it. If you were actively working you'd have it available. If you didn't have it, you'd accept the risk of losing a contract or having your work temporarily withdrawn from sale. Maybe a bookseller would notice typos in your current edition and takes your book off the shelves until you can make a revised edition.

I mean, fundamentally, if you're saying your book needs to be on sale 24/7/365 then you need to be standing behind it 24/7/365 or paying a person or organisation to do that for you. If you want to take a break from the business of your book you should be prepared for Amazon to do the same.

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by morelisp on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @03:28PM (#21874679)
> That the author in question can't be bothered to keep a current copy of their manuscript ...

Why should the author, rather than the publisher, be expected to produce a public-upload-ready file on demand? (If the deadlines other authors are reporting in the thread are accurate, I wouldn't even reasonably expect a full-time major publisher to hit them - and during the last week of the year?!)

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by wizzwizz4 on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @03:32PM (#21874700)
In this case, the author is the publisher.

(Well, technically Amazon is the publisher, but in Amazon's lexicon it's self-published.)

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by morelisp on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @03:39PM (#21874752)
The author might be managing the Amazon account, and I don't see the specific book mentioned so I can't check if Amazon says it's Red Wombat or something else, but she mentions getting the file back from Argyll (https://argyllproductions.com/) at one point. I'm pretty sure they are the actual publisher in the sense of preparing the final file, regardless of what Amazon thinks.
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by Baeocystin on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @04:04PM (#21874897)
Argyll, Smashwords, and their ilk are self-publishing platforms. Think fanfic and the like. The author is ultimately responsible for everything. The publishers offer services in the $10-$50 range for style-setting an entire book, and you get what you pay for.

Example: https://www.smashwords.com/list

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by morelisp on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @04:22PM (#21874997)
Unless there's something I'm missing, Argyll is a small press. Smashwords is more like a vanity press, which is what you describe. There's a huge difference between those two kinds of publishers, even if both give authors more responsibility than a traditional publisher.

"Self-publishing" is really orthogonal to both of those, though today most people would probably describe any vanity press as effectively self-published.

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by fock on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @05:25PM (#21875356)
now, if the author would use pandoc he'd get that for free and noone had to do the menial work.
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by wiredfool on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @05:42PM (#21875434)
I’ve bought several of the authors published and self published ebooks, and they’re all generally done to a professional standard. I know that she uses freelance copy editors for the self published stuff.

In this case, (further down the thread) it was a dialect thing, so the whole problem was a false positive from an over zealous automated system on Christmas Eve, in prime panic ebook gifting time.

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by fock on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @08:12PM (#21876058)
well, it was not about the case, but about the thriving service sector in GPs-link, where people are offering the service of formatting word-files for e-book export. Considering that self-publishing is probably in the 20$-wage-range, the authors could easily learn pandoc+git (or just use MS Word the right way), save that money for subsequent books AND (which is the most important thing) should have a workflow in place, where they actually can check for previous version/can edit the published version easily.
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by catalogia on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @07:40PM (#21875936)
God forbid somebody with non-technical interests wants to write a book without first learning a bunch of nerd shit.

The majority of authors today don't know that software named pandoc exists, let alone what it does, let alone what it might do for them.

Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by ulucs on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @09:35PM (#21876357)
"But I don’t want to go among nerds,” HN user catalogia remarked. “Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all nerds here. I’m a nerd. You’re a nerd.” “How do you know I’m a nerd?” said they. “You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.”
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by catalogia on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @12:10AM (#21876951)
Don't get me wrong, I like and use pandoc. But it's not the sort of tool anybody should expect the average author to be aware of. Maybe if it had a GUI it'd be more reasonable to expect the general public to use it.
Re:I don’t know if whoever flagged the typos in my eBook tho... by fock on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @08:07PM (#21876039)
well, it's text-editor based and scores of people worked with similar systems successfully without being a nerd before Microsoft and IBM started to push for WYSIWIG because you could sell a new UI for that every year or two (and now the same people are selling SaaS because people stopped taking the bait...). Efficiency gains for actual users: noone knows, but people are making a lot of money, so it has to be something.