As an EU national and EU taxpayer for decades, I expect to be a first class citizen of my region and the governing bodies to prioritize my well being first as much as I expect the US or Chinese or Indian governments to prioritize the well being of thier citizens first as opposed to mine.

Is it wrong if I can't get a work visa for SV? Or China? Or India?

It is, when you're saying that it is fine for Romanians or Polish to dump the market, but not Indians.

EU membership allows free movement of capital, goods and workforce between EU states with equal rights. Singling out Romania and Poland means you have a personal problem with these nationalities.

Don't like it? Vote your country leaving the EU.

Oh, and FYI, Romanian tech salaries are some of the highest in EU where new grads can earn €2k NET due to a hot market and low taxes so your point about wage dumping doesn't hold.

€2k NET monthly in Poland or Romania as a new grad means you can buy a house immediately. How many houses can one newgrad buy in Zurich or Amsterdam?

>Many Romanians and other poor EU immigrants move across Europe for all kind of jobs.

And? What's wrong with that? It's part and parcel of EU membership. Western companies can also come to the East and straight up exploit the population.

Don't like it? Vote to leave the EU?

As an EU citizen I'm well aware that the EU is full of inter-regional conflicts and xenophobia. Currently there's a very concerning shift to the political right, to protectionism and nationalism, partly fueled by the long-standing migration-related problems and more recent refugee "crisis".

Inviting even more people over from outside the EU would be like pouring fuel on the fire. I can't imagine what the politicians are thinking here... they can barely keep things under control as it is.

If outsourcing was so good why hasn't all of SV packed and moved abroad already to cheap countries or even to cheaper states in the US instead of offering insane salaries at home?

Companies stay in the west because of the ecosystem comprised of stable government, generous financing and skilled workforce.

You will understand that only after you spend time actually hiring people. Telling the boss well I can't do this locally in 3 months, I need 6 plus a budget to relocate people from other EU locations will just get you laughed out of the room for the simple reason someone else in the org has already done it through outsourcing and importing people.

> Companies stay in the west because of the ecosystem comprised of stable government, financing and skilled workforce

This is probably 10-15 year old rhetoric that isnt true anymore. There are now dozens of hubs worldwide that make it simple to hire large number of people fast. Just make a trip and look at the scale at which they function.

The EU is doing the right thing by trying to pull more people in.

Airbus can't find 300 engineers in Germany and France? Come on! More like Airbus can't find 300 engineers in Germany and France willing to work for peanuts. It's always the last part that gets lost in the translation.

Has Airbus thought about training said engineers instead of expecting them to magic themselves out of thin air whenever they're needed? Looking at their margins it's not like they can't afford it.

>The EU is doing the right thing by trying to pull more people in.

The EU is doing the right thing for Airbus shareholders, not for the local workforce.

This is an old debate and it's more or less a settled one in large orgs with large requirements whether in US or EU - the managers who don't care how they meet their goals win. You don't have to believe me, you just need to spend time talking to people who have run large teams in the EU and ask them how they survive.

The world is not getting any less competitive and mgmt in large orgs spend most of their day reacting rather than proactively doing anything. Smaller orgs it's easier but again they too are under pressure in different ways.

During this phase where many things are in flux and unstable it's a safer bet to move to where the jobs are then expecting the govt or corp s to do anything radical. They are too trapped even if they have competent ppl...anyway that's just my experience and opinion and I hope I am wrong.

Are you serious? Countries with traditions of engineering going back centuries, with some of the best schools in the field, will have trouble to find... 300 software engineers?

You don't have to see this kind of cycle too many times before you get a little cynical.

Also, most outsourcing companies have been around for a while and are doing fairly well.