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Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ncmncm on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:02PM (#21866799)
Probably the denizens of the next star over noticed that the star in question had inhabited planets, and turned it off against the possibility they might, otherwise, someday become a threat.

This is a candidate for the Great Filter: interstellar civilizations that come into contact destroy one another.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ismail on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:18PM (#21866968)
This is a plot element in The Dark Forrest [0] book. Otherwise called the Dark Forrest theory [1]

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Forest

[1] https://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/the-dark-forest-theory...

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ncmncm on Monday December 23, 2019 @09:26PM (#21869359)
The Dark Forest is a related idea, in which mature civilizations are not all destroyed by contact with their equals, but lurk about, in ambush. The mutual demolition alternative seems simpler and more reliable, and possibly more consistent with the evidence.

Dropping a black hole, even a smallish one, into a star would seem to eliminate the central pressure needed to sustain fusion, and turn it off pretty suddenly, by astronomical timescales.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by skykooler on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @01:14AM (#21870255)
Dropping a black hole into a star would actually cause its power output to increase; the radiation from matter accreting onto the black hole provides sufficient power to prevent the star's collapse. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-star for more details on the physics.
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ncmncm on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @02:10AM (#21870425)
"Such a star would have to be at least 1,000 solar masses..."

Although, it doesn't really make sense. Like a puncture in the wall of a pressure vessel, the pressure at the event horizon would be zero. It is hard to see how an accretion disc could form in pure plasma at such density. The fluid dynamics of plasma under such conditions is entirely intractable, so it is also hard to believe in any claimed solution.

But temporarily multiplying the output of a star might work just as well to eliminate a pesky alien infestation.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ncmncm on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @05:41PM (#21875426)
Reading the paper, it appears they treat the plasma as a gas, relying on acoustic pressure interactions that don't happen in a plasma.

If I understood correctly, and that is conventional practice in calculations about black hole accretion discs, there is a great deal of nonsense published on the topic.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by maratd on Monday December 23, 2019 @04:06PM (#21867377)
Also Winter World (and the other two books in the trilogy). Fun read. Very similar in style to the The Expanse.
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ismail on Monday December 23, 2019 @04:19PM (#21867501)
Personally I found the style very different between the expanse and the three body problem trilogy.

The expanse seems “lighter” or less hard. The last book, deaths end i found to be particularly “hard sci-fi”.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by maratd on Monday December 23, 2019 @04:35PM (#21867633)
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by xvector on Monday December 23, 2019 @09:10PM (#21869284)
Just a tip - forest has one ‘r’ :)
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by wostusername on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:26PM (#21867044)
Since everything in physics tells us that FTL travel is impossible (as far as I am aware), then when a civilization detects signs from another civilization in another solar system it knows that 1) that civilization was advanced enough to produce signals into space light years ago, and 2) by the time it reaches it at sublight speeds (hundreds, possibly thousands of years) it will be more advanced still. That means your extermination mission might be facing a technologically superior enemy with home field advantage.
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by zaphirplane on Monday December 23, 2019 @05:47PM (#21868179)
This may be where intuition and cosmic scale don’t align. The Milky Way is very old and is ~100k light years in diameter.

Say you are a few million year old civilization and you detect radio from a civilization 100k light years away takes 500k years for you fleeting arrive. You are still millions of years ahead in technology. If you are a stagnant civilization you probably stay home cause the other side would overtake you, but then again that motivation to get to them as early as possible. In any event presumably as your fleet get closer you would have a better idea of the technology difference and can just do a U turn

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ncmncm on Monday December 23, 2019 @09:10PM (#21869285)
Civilizations that come into contact will tend to be those that are closer together, particularly if they make any effort to be inconspicuous.

The longer they go without contact, the wider their reach, and the greater their odds of contact.

We might suppose that the technology necessary to obliterate another civilization is arrived at early, and is hard to counter despite long subsequent development. Alternatively, civilizations that succeed in suppressing weaker ones eventually meet their match.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by maratd on Monday December 23, 2019 @04:09PM (#21867395)
Unless you assume each solar system is a threat, so you proactively send automated machines to each solar system that can adapt to the threat as needed. They might also not care if there is or isn't life there and just want to build Dyson spheres everywhere.
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ncmncm on Monday December 23, 2019 @09:13PM (#21869299)
The argument for Dyson spheres is extremely weak. If you are powerful enough to build one, you are also powerful enough to dismantle a nearby gas giant and fuse that.
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by DaiPlusPlus on Monday December 23, 2019 @10:31PM (#21869627)
The energy required to dismantle and fuse a gas giant would be tremendous - there's definitely an opportunity-cost involved.

Compared to a Dyson sphere - which only requires a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the energy absorbed to build and launch the orbiting platforms that make-up the sphere.

You can "ignite" a gas-giant by maneuvering a black-hole into position inside the gas-giant, but (as far as we know) there are far more gas-giants than there are black-holes, and the distances involved are tremendous (nearest black hole: 3,000ly, nearest gas-giant: 6 to 9e-5 light-years). It just doesn't strike me as feasible or even worthwhile even if it was feasible.

Maybe as the heat-death of the universe approaches, the last band of remaining humans (don't ask) try to ignite the gas-giants to keep the lights on?

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ncmncm on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @02:22AM (#21870478)
There is no need to "ignite" the gas giant. You just skim off hydrogen and fuse it in magnetic confinement chambers anywhere you need power. Gravitational confinement is for amateurs.

We don't build bonfires in our cars, as used to be done in steam locomotives; we oxidize carbon differently, and generate a pressure differential by entirely different means. Why should advanced aliens do things the clumsy way?

Anyway there isn't enough material in a solar system to build one. If you can get elsewhere to gather the stuff, why bother to bring it back?

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by koheripbal on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @10:06AM (#21872482)
Which is why the expected strategy is to seed all systems with autonomous berserkers. ... and/or have them meandering from star to star to report/destroy civilizations in their infancy upon detection of radio signals.

You'd need trillions of them per galaxy, but that's well within the capability of a type III civ.

It reminds me of the extra solar object detected a couple years ago that buzzed the Earth and then mysteriously ACCELERATED out of the system.

So assuming we were just detected and assuming there's a berserker in the system already (likely in an outer orbit) that would imply we have only a couple decades left.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by renke1 on Monday December 23, 2019 @06:28PM (#21868450)
This is explored in the novel The Forever War. Since the war had multiple battlefront (with vast distances between them) an attacker never knew if the particular branch of enemy was already ahead with their technology.
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by nightfuryx on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:06PM (#21866850)
This read very similar to the "Three-body problem" trilogy, specifically the second book "The Dark Forest"
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by monkeycantype on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:23PM (#21867018)
I was thinking of the first moment when the bubble appears in quarantine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine_(Egan_novel)

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by Faaak on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:05PM (#21866833)
For those that wonder: this is (one) of the plots of the "Three body problem" trilogy. It's a really great book, I really recommend it !
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by celticmusic on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:18PM (#21866966)
The entire series is amazing. In addition, he has a collection of short stories 'The Wandering Earth'. If you want to see a movie loosely based upon the ideas of one of those shorts stories, look up the movie 'The Wandering Earth' on Netflix.

Just to give some background, I watched that movie not realizing what it was based off of, just knowing it was a chinese sci-fi. And I remember being amazed at how big the ideas were and thinking China must have a culture of exceptional sci-fi writers. Afterwards I did some research and realized who it was.

Cixin Liu is the author and he's so good at big ideas. I can't recommend his stuff enough.

edit:

link

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+wandering+earth+cixin+liu

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by colordrops on Monday December 23, 2019 @04:20PM (#21867514)
The Wandering Earth was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Poor writing, no plot, bad science, melodramatic acting, and propagandistic messages throughout.
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by celticmusic on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @12:50PM (#21873646)
The ideas in it were amazing. I can understand people who can't look past the execution to see the underlying ideas.

One of the things it did really well was the idea that it takes everyone pulling in the same direction to be effective.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by dpau on Monday December 23, 2019 @06:19PM (#21868387)
it is indeed a horrible film, let's hope the three body series is not similarly butchered
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by mercutio2 on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @04:14AM (#21870848)
I don’t understand. Every one of those negative traits applies to The Three Body Problem as a novel, except for acting, in my opinion.

I realize there exist people who like sci-fi and think The Three Body Problem is good, but... I can’t understand what they see in it. The last 50 pages or so was at least an ok short story...

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ncmncm on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @01:08AM (#21877140)
Last 50 pages of the first volume?

The last 50 pages of the third volume were not worth the paper.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by colordrops on Monday December 23, 2019 @07:00PM (#21868639)
Let's hope, but I'm not holding my breath. Officials hold far too much sway over Chinese filmmakers, making it near impossible to create a quality film.
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ismail on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:37PM (#21867141)
I have been waiting for the 3 body problem film. Last I checked it was delayed, with just the trailer released.

Will check out the wandering earth. Thanks.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by bsdetector on Monday December 23, 2019 @04:46PM (#21867724)
What if these stars are disappearing as part of an orderly shut down procedure of some grand simulation, taking millennia from our perspective.

Civilizations would get to a level of science where they find out and even if they could reach us before the reset, there'd be no point. Like when you're playing a video game and you get "server shutdown in 30 minutes", you log off right away or mess around until it happens.

The Great Filter is only limited by our imagination and doesn't even have to involve us at all.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by NeedMoreTea on Monday December 23, 2019 @04:57PM (#21867818)
Seem to vaguely remember a Twilight Zone or similar along those lines.

There's a planet that's trying to achieve peace. They're in the middle of a cold war, looking rather like earth, half hour ends with the failure of talks and a nuclear war. Camera pulls back to two alien teens playing an intergalactic arcade game, now showing "game over".

Perhaps the one playing the sim got bored and started star killing their own solar systems.

Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by perl4ever on Tuesday December 24, 2019 @12:06AM (#21870019)
In SimEarth, there was always the temptation to destroy everything with asteroid strikes...
Re:Researchers have identified 100 mysteriously disappeared ... by ncmncm on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @01:05AM (#21877130)
Arthur Clarke, in his throwaway short story The Nine Billion Names of God, had an obscure cult that believed humanity's, and the universe's, purpose was to write down all of God's names. They are well along before they rent a computer with a line printer, and finish the job in a few weeks. Then the stars start to go out.