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Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by samt on Sunday February 06, 2011 @05:39PM (#2186672)
This is what I do not get about Oracle. Are we (tech influencers, i guess) all commie hippies that can't make a damn difference at all to their long term business?

Because the answer is either yes or no, and if there is a good possibility that it is no (Oracle's behavior is long term financially detrimental) you might think shareholders would care. But I do not see $ORCL shareholders marching in the street in protest about the apparent pillaging of the company's future. Where are the pitchforks?

Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by whatusername on Sunday February 06, 2011 @06:08PM (#2186741)
See rst's comment. $ORCL doesn't sell "technology". It sell's a "Business Solution".

// Which in itself is generally a good strategy for most startups to emulate.

Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by samt on Sunday February 06, 2011 @06:17PM (#2186756)
This is effective in the short term, yes. But "businessmen" do not create the future, they sell (or buy) the present. And the people creating the future are almost entirely aligned against the Oracle ecosystem.
Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by protomyth on Sunday February 06, 2011 @06:40PM (#2186818)
The next generation of business leaders for most companies is inthe same meetings with Oracle's salespeople. They will pick "solutions" for business over their IT staff's opinion. Oracle thinks like them, the IT staff doesn't.
Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by whatusername on Sunday February 06, 2011 @08:22PM (#2187091)
But most people don't want technology. I don't want a website or any complicated stuff - I want to communicate with and see what my friends are doing (facebook). I don't need an amzingly clustered spider and ranking engine, I just want to find sutff (google). I don't want to talk about feeds and speeds, I just want a computer that "works" (apple). I don't want to talk with some IT Nerd about how Open Source software is superior and about technological lock-in, I just want a positive ROI and want to grow my business (Oracle).

// Oh - and HN's favourite -- I just want to play Bingo with my students.

Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by eftpotrm on Monday February 07, 2011 @08:53AM (#2188865)
Last I heard though, Oracle was generating mountains of spare cash. The sort of profits they can lay their hands on can buy a lot of Next Big Things to let others take the initial risk and then sell out to Oracle when they're more established.

(Which, from what I understand, isn't far from what Google has done, with the bulk of non-search success having been from acquisitions.)

Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by uxp on Sunday February 06, 2011 @09:21PM (#2187257)
Didn't we have a fairly decent conversation regarding this idea less than a day ago, "Selling pickaxes during a gold rush"? [1]

I agree, however this is only a short term strategy. Soon, the gold rush will be over and there will be an abundance of pickaxes on the second hand market. Case in point, so called "dark fiber", or the unused infrastructure expansions of the early dot-com bubble.

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2183207

Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by spitfire on Sunday February 06, 2011 @06:13PM (#2186747)
Oracle doesn't sell technology. They sell solutions to {accounting, erp, mrp, etc} problems. Technology is just how they do it, the people buying it (and me, if I were buying oracle) don't care in the least about the technology.

Do you care about the fuel injectors in your car? What about the magnetron in your microwave?

Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by chc on Sunday February 06, 2011 @06:33PM (#2186801)
I don't care because they don't seem like details I need to worry about — but if all the mechanics or microwave repairmen said the one I had was a terrible choice, I might care.
Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by samt on Sunday February 06, 2011 @08:29PM (#2187113)
Except that Oracle is a platform company. As a CIO you are buying into a platform on top of which your in-house developers, or overpaid consultants, will be building a solution. ERP platforms are not Bingo Card Creator.
Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by spitfire on Sunday February 06, 2011 @08:51PM (#2187177)
Well, okay. but for a CEO the business comes first, developer comfort second. If it can't meet business objectives (which oracle certainly can) it doesn't matter how much developers love it.
Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by ehutch79 on Monday February 07, 2011 @12:38AM (#2187846)
Developer comfort is the difference between being woefully understaffed, and having a quality team supporting your business objectives.

If productivity drops, or you suddenly only have 50% of your development staff because management bought an inferior product that developers hate, I don't see how that helps the business?

Re:Oracle "sanitizes" Hudson's creator from wiki by samt on Sunday February 06, 2011 @06:53PM (#2186862)
Wow, I guess I'm the naive techno-utopian of HN.