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Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by forrestthewoods on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:07PM (#21849333)
I have very bad news for you.

Smokers (and the obese) are cheaper in health care costs than non-smokers. Why? To be blunt, because smokers die early.

Keeping someone alive into their 90s is more expensive than someone who dies of smoking derived illness in their 70s or younger. This is similarly true for the obese.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199710093371506

Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by fortran77 on Saturday December 21, 2019 @01:23AM (#21849940)
The obese have other very costly externalities, for example: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.22657

They are more of a burden to society than smokers.

Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by scurvy on Saturday December 21, 2019 @12:29AM (#21849807)
It reminds me of the misguided logic in mandatory helmet laws for motorcycles. They're more costly because people have higher survival rates. Whereas people who make the bad decision of not wearing a helmet are killed quickly - there's no crazy surgeries. Just send the coroner.

The laws should be taken off the books. It's cheaper to not have the bad decision makers around. (anti Idiocracy)

Disclosure, I ride a MC every day.

Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by jnwatson on Saturday December 21, 2019 @12:34AM (#21849817)
Plus, motorcyclists are excellent sources of organs.

They don’t call them donorcycles for nothing.

Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by sago on Saturday December 21, 2019 @12:49AM (#21849859)
There is a fun poem about that:

https://imgur.com/a/isGWqU4

It is maybe dated a bit now. I think it refers to boomers (in the 90s/00s?) rather than modern riders. But still awkwardly accurate.

Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by martinald on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:12PM (#21849352)
Yes, of course. Smokers and many other bad habits are great for the public purse - especially with less state pension payouts.

But this isn't an argument we accept in public health. If it was, we wouldn't provide any healthcare that prolonged life after someone was after working age.

Regardless there are still an awful lot of really dibilating conditions that massively affect productivity caused be tobacco related illnesses that isn't just death or cancer care.

Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by forrestthewoods on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:22PM (#21849386)
I was replying to a comment proclaiming the financial savings. It isn’t a savings. It’s a cost.

It may well be a cost worth paying. I’m not arguing policy. OP’s math made incorrect assumptions. Just letting them know.

Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by chiefalchemist on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:50PM (#21849471)
Yes and no.

The use less. But they also are able to contribute less.

That said, yes a whole lotta money is spent on the last 0 to 6 months (or so) of life. From what I understand, this is a USA only problem.

Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by forrestthewoods on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:12PM (#21849565)
> From what I understand, this is a USA only problem.

The study I linked was based on the Netherlands. I suspect the cost difference will be true for most countries. Unless you just let people die earlier. But that’s a whole other discussion.

I don’t know if anyone has done any studies on productivity differences. That would be interesting.

Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by chiefalchemist on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:56PM (#21849712)
I was referring to the big spend on med treatment at the end of life. That's pretty much USA only.
Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by cm2012 on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:22PM (#21849602)
Don't people more or less stop producing economic value at age 60 on average?
Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by chiefalchemist on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:55PM (#21849705)
Obese people? Dying of diabetes related or heart attack? They going younger than 60. Furthermore, they're missing work, are less effective, etc.
Re:CDC Confirms a THC Additive, Vitamin E Acetate, Is Culpri... by throw_m239339 on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:39PM (#21849651)
How many people do you think retire at 60 today? At what age do you think you're going to retire yourself? Your question is either senseless or stupid. What does "producing economic value" even means?