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Re:Teaching College-Level Mathematics in Prisons [pdf] by mlyle on Friday December 20, 2019 @08:05PM (#21848839)
On the other hand, if you make reintegration to society impossible, and eventually release prisoners... you know the outcome you're going to get.

Plenty of societies appear to do much better than the US at preventing recidivism and reforming criminals to productive members of society.

Re:Teaching College-Level Mathematics in Prisons [pdf] by ddxxdd on Saturday December 21, 2019 @12:37AM (#21849827)
I remember a common saying that's bandied about Hacker News: a 10x quantitative difference is a qualitative difference.

Well, America's violent crime rate is 10 times higher than Europe's violent crime rate, so make of that what you will.

Re:Teaching College-Level Mathematics in Prisons [pdf] by flattone on Saturday December 21, 2019 @02:20AM (#21850119)
Parse attempt: there are too significant systemic, social differences to meaningfully compare process&results between countries.
Re:Teaching College-Level Mathematics in Prisons [pdf] by maxerickson on Saturday December 21, 2019 @05:41AM (#21850684)
Half the point is that systemic differences contribute to different outcomes, so lets change the system. What a sad rejoinder to argue that the system is a force of nature.
Re:Teaching College-Level Mathematics in Prisons [pdf] by mlyle on Saturday December 21, 2019 @11:51AM (#21852071)
Some bits of the system we can change with effort. Urban poverty, etc, can improve. We can have a better criminal justice system.

Some are cultural bits in subpopulations that are resistant to change; we can work on it, but it's not clear how much of an effect any intervention will have.

There's some other structural ones that will be extremely difficult to change-- we have the some of the most dangerous places in the world next-door in Latin America.