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Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by zarkov99 on Friday December 20, 2019 @12:47PM (#21845920)
It's not just the loss of data in communication, though that might be part of it, it's our lack of mechanisms to deal with the scaling of the number of interlocutors. If you messages are being read by 1000s of people it is a certainty some will be psychos of one shape or another. The medium will reward with attention precisely the unhinged who will say the most extreme nonsense with little fear of real world repercussions.
Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by aantix on Friday December 20, 2019 @12:52PM (#21845960)
I wonder if there could be an online equivalent to the premise "say it to my face".

Meaning, if you wanted to tweet/response at me, you should be required to see my emotional response to it in real-time, and you must be open to me asking any follow up questions to your response.

And if you're not open to that, you don't get to respond to me.

Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by pjc50 on Friday December 20, 2019 @12:57PM (#21846011)
You'd have people queuing up to insult you so they could watch the reaction.

The real world "say it to my face" really means "say it somewhere I can fight you if you're rude enough".

Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by zarkov99 on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:00PM (#21846042)
Yes. The underlying threat of violence, or at the very least social exclusion, if one goes too far is what keeps most in person conversations far more civilized than their online counterparts.
Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by Sacho on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:35PM (#21846380)
Even assuming the correctness of your argument, the threat of violence only applies where it is credible. Strong bullies aren't intimidated by their victims, men generally aren't intimidated by women, and so on.

There is in fact an orthogonal effect where people will fear expression in the face of violence. Is "civilized" expression dominated by the strong better than the rudeness of online communication, where there are different power dynamics? I don't know, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.

Perahps at least a portion of the "uncivilized" speech you see online is the outcry of those who are not allowed to express their opinions elsewhere.

Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by zarkov99 on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:41PM (#21846423)
You assume one-on-one conversations. In a group setting even a strong bully can be subdued by the group. In such a group, a man isn't going to be allowed to insult a woman without other men stepping in. But you bring a good point. Should insulting, disrupting voices be tolerated in a conversation in the name of freedom of speech? I would say no, because they make further speech impossible, but I see the problem in deciding what constitutes disruption/insults.
Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by lonelappde on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:12PM (#21846139)
Social exclusion works online -- and did work on usenet, until platform owners disabled it in order to promote engagement/enragement for ad impressions.
Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by pjc50 on Friday December 20, 2019 @03:27PM (#21847120)
Not really - it certainly didn't work against spammers, and the whole thing was entirely unauthenticated.
Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by zarkov99 on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:26PM (#21846284)
A little bit. It was a lot easier to escape exclusion by changing your identity in Usenet compared with the real world so motivated trolls would often do that.
Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by aantix on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:08PM (#21846094)
That's the real-world implications of an in-person conversation.

Obviously extending this to online, two people could be far from each other. But it still would require one person to see the emotional response from the other, which may or may not be pleasant.

Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by zarkov99 on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:24PM (#21846260)
Not exactly, the real world implications could go well beyond observing your targets emotional response.
Re:Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did? by nradov on Friday December 20, 2019 @04:44PM (#21847626)
And how would that work exactly? Strap the other person into a chair and force them to watch you "Clockwork Orange" style?

As an adult your emotional responses to communication are entirely your own affair.