Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by corin_ on Saturday February 05, 2011 @10:41PM
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I can't comment on the quality of the application, because for some reason that I can't understand it doesn't seem to be available for non-US iPad owners. Well, not in the UK at any rate.
Ah well, I guess I'll get by with The Times, Guardian, Telegraph, NY Times, LA Times, FT, WSJ, Int Herald Tribune and La Monde.
(And from the reviews I've heard, seems the content is fairly shoddy anyway, guess I'm not missing much.)
edit: I haven't yet had time myself to bother reading anything, but for anyone who does want to read the content without downloading the iPad app, check out http://thedailyindexed.tumblr.com/ which links to all the day's articles, as they are available on The Daily's website.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by tmgrhm on Sunday February 06, 2011 @07:22AM
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>I can't comment on the quality of the application, because for some reason that I can't understand it doesn't seem to be available for non-US iPad owners. Well, not in the UK at any rate.
It's coming to the UK "soon" according to @daily.
Content seems to be pretty heavily US-focused, and as it seems to be (at least in large part) a gossip rag, it was decided against shipping US gossip to rest-of-world customers.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by ugh on Sunday February 06, 2011 @08:46AM
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That doesn’t make any sense, does it?
They don’t have to market it, why not just make it available everywhere? I’m not in principle opposed to the App Store but this is one of those stupid things about it. The cool thing about the web is that by default, everything is available everywhere and it is hard and not foolproof to make something not available everywhere. I can read nytimes.com in Germany despite clearly not being part of the New York Time’s target group.
What reason could there possibly be for not making The Daily available everywhere? Sure, hardly anyone will buy it outside of the US but at least Apple is footing all the bandwidth costs and making it available everywhere must be a matter of clicking some checkbox. Wired and Popular Science are, for example, both available in the German App Store. (Not that I would ever want to buy The Daily but this is just so stupid.)
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by tmgrhm on Sunday February 06, 2011 @09:45AM
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I believe the reason is because they plan to roll out localised versions to different countries.
Although they surely won't roll out special versions to each national app store, so you do have a point there…
I'm not sure why they did it, but it's their prerogative.
Ferner, I don't think you should forget that there is still a lot of web content which is restricted by country — YouTube being a much-despised example of that, although they have obvious reasons there; BBC iPlayer being another example with similar (but far more justifiable) reasons.
From those examples, I think one can guess that one of the issues may be copyright: It's easier for them to handle the copyright of just the US.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by jemmons on Sunday February 06, 2011 @09:26AM
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FYI, an app submitted to the app store is available everywhere by default (there's an "everywhere" checkbox). If you want to limit its availability, you have to go in and specifically check the regions it'll be available in.
So yeah, it's harder to distribute US-only than to the world. Not sure what The Daily's reasoning is there.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by p0ppe on Sunday February 06, 2011 @09:50AM
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It could be a license-issue. The Daily seems to use wire material from AP. Not sure about their pricing, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's cheaper to distribute their texts in the US alone.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by antirez on Sunday February 06, 2011 @09:11AM
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Opening an US itunes account takes a few seconds if you want to check it today.
Just go into iTunes, select the US store, try downloading the daily, select "create an account", use an email address that is different than the other you used in your real account. In the payment section select "None" (No credit card), and specify an address. Get a random cool address on google map. Put a random phone number. Done.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by ryanpetrich on Saturday February 05, 2011 @10:51PM
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"The iPhone and iPad have to work a lot harder to display JPEGs than they do to display the equivalent PNGs"
That is a myth. It is the pixel format of the CGImage that matters, not the compression format of the source file. 32bpp premultiplied CGImages are the only format that the GPU will render natively as the contents of a CALayer. Since all JPEGs decode to 24bpp and most PNGs are saved as 32bpp, it's easy to see why this would be confused. Simply copying to a 32bpp CGImage is enough to make drawing quick again.
Coincidentally, this blog post also scrolls poorly on the iPad.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by rbritton on Saturday February 05, 2011 @11:46PM
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The iPad (not sure about the iPhone) also has a JPEG hardware decoder. iOS 4.2 finally provided at least some level of access to this and it makes a huge difference.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by robryan on Sunday February 06, 2011 @12:29AM
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I am a little confused on what the daily is try to achieve. I've read that they were bringing together a top notch team of journalists to product top notch content. From other thing's it seems like they are content light and are playing on the interactiveness of the ipad to produce somewhat unique and engaging multimedia. And from everywhere I've read that even if they are doing this well the tech fails it horribly.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by rorrr on Sunday February 06, 2011 @01:35AM
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They are trying to replicate the old media experience (newspaper) on the new technology. It's a pretty dumb idea. That's what HTML is for, websites have been around long enough and are good enough to present information, especially such simple information as news. I have no idea why anyone would care about this piece of crap app, when you can just open your browser and go to your favorite news site.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by robryan on Sunday February 06, 2011 @02:19AM
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The only stuff I would consider paying for would be those great long investigative articles that magazines like the atlantic or vanity fair do. Normal shortish news articles have become a commodity that is best monetised by advertising. If traditional newspapers can't make a dollar there online leave it to the blog style sites like tech crunch and go after the real substance.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by cabalamat on Sunday February 06, 2011 @10:49AM
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I went to their home page (http://www.thedaily.com/) and clicked on the link "Am I going to be billed automatically after the free period". It told me "The URL you requested could not be found."
So let's get their value proposition right. This is a paid news source, appallingly badly executed, that doesn't bring any value that I can't get from free news sources such as Reddit or the BBC or Guardian.
I predict it will sink without trace, after wasting millions of dollars.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by cwbrandsma on Sunday February 06, 2011 @03:40PM
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I've used the app a bit as well. At first I thought it was just design by committee, but I think that was wrong. It is probably closer to design by committee with a non-technical designer, followed by a development staff that never said no to any request. Either way, more effort was spent on 'cool factor' rather than usability.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by tmgrhm on Sunday February 06, 2011 @07:36AM
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Not sure where his comment's gone, but wzdd correctly pointed out you can scroll this (and any other seemingly unscrollable area) using two fingers, as with a multitouch trackpad.
But I totally agree with you. Not only is it not possible to scroll without the two-fingers trick (which I didn't know about until now, despite being a pretty advanced/heavy iOS user), it also scrolls really jumpily.
But the hypocrisy shouldn't detract from the merit of the article: his points are well-made and correct.
Although the article suggests the methods are the problems and that they should change them (e.g. the removal of the carousel and introduction of greyscale thumbnails), but actually these aren't necessary: some iOS developers have taken it upon themselves to improve the daily, and have come up with the following: Loren Brichter (Tweetie/Twitter) optimised the carousel [1] and Jonah Grant optimised page turning [2].
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by jemmons on Sunday February 06, 2011 @09:54AM
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Mea culpa. Like I said in the post, I'm not a blogger. I just threw some static html up not thinking of how it would interact with my site styles when needed to scroll. There's now a bit of UA sniffing in there that will display a simple text version if viewed on an iOS device.
As an aside, is it really so unusual to see an iOS (or any mobile platform developer) ignorant of their platform's corner-cases when it comes to things like mail or the web? We spend all our time on laptops coding, just like everyone else ;-)
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by philiphodgen on Saturday February 05, 2011 @08:54PM
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Pearls before swine.
I have no bias against Mr. Murdoch but why waste the limited amount of time and energy afforded each of us by freely offering unrequested and uncompensated advice?
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by robryan on Sunday February 06, 2011 @12:21AM
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Good way for the author who works in the area to be able to organize their thoughts on the app. Without the structure of the blog post it can be hard to clear your mind and gain some insight from what you are seeing.
Re:Why "The Daily" is an Abomination (and how to fix it)
by amchang on Saturday February 05, 2011 @10:34PM
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If I was Apple Inc, I would be happy with people who came up with ideas like the "The Daily." It provides Apple another source of high revenue for almost zero cost. The only thing Apple would need to setup is a payment system for this type of content.
Ah well, I guess I'll get by with The Times, Guardian, Telegraph, NY Times, LA Times, FT, WSJ, Int Herald Tribune and La Monde.
(And from the reviews I've heard, seems the content is fairly shoddy anyway, guess I'm not missing much.)
edit: I haven't yet had time myself to bother reading anything, but for anyone who does want to read the content without downloading the iPad app, check out http://thedailyindexed.tumblr.com/ which links to all the day's articles, as they are available on The Daily's website.
It's coming to the UK "soon" according to @daily.
Content seems to be pretty heavily US-focused, and as it seems to be (at least in large part) a gossip rag, it was decided against shipping US gossip to rest-of-world customers.
They don’t have to market it, why not just make it available everywhere? I’m not in principle opposed to the App Store but this is one of those stupid things about it. The cool thing about the web is that by default, everything is available everywhere and it is hard and not foolproof to make something not available everywhere. I can read nytimes.com in Germany despite clearly not being part of the New York Time’s target group.
What reason could there possibly be for not making The Daily available everywhere? Sure, hardly anyone will buy it outside of the US but at least Apple is footing all the bandwidth costs and making it available everywhere must be a matter of clicking some checkbox. Wired and Popular Science are, for example, both available in the German App Store. (Not that I would ever want to buy The Daily but this is just so stupid.)
Although they surely won't roll out special versions to each national app store, so you do have a point there…
I'm not sure why they did it, but it's their prerogative.
Ferner, I don't think you should forget that there is still a lot of web content which is restricted by country — YouTube being a much-despised example of that, although they have obvious reasons there; BBC iPlayer being another example with similar (but far more justifiable) reasons. From those examples, I think one can guess that one of the issues may be copyright: It's easier for them to handle the copyright of just the US.
So yeah, it's harder to distribute US-only than to the world. Not sure what The Daily's reasoning is there.
Just go into iTunes, select the US store, try downloading the daily, select "create an account", use an email address that is different than the other you used in your real account. In the payment section select "None" (No credit card), and specify an address. Get a random cool address on google map. Put a random phone number. Done.
That is a myth. It is the pixel format of the CGImage that matters, not the compression format of the source file. 32bpp premultiplied CGImages are the only format that the GPU will render natively as the contents of a CALayer. Since all JPEGs decode to 24bpp and most PNGs are saved as 32bpp, it's easy to see why this would be confused. Simply copying to a 32bpp CGImage is enough to make drawing quick again.
Coincidentally, this blog post also scrolls poorly on the iPad.
All devices back to the iPhone 3G at least have a hardware JPEG codec.
Go figure.
http://www.google.com/gwt/x?source=m&u=http://fourstarst...
So let's get their value proposition right. This is a paid news source, appallingly badly executed, that doesn't bring any value that I can't get from free news sources such as Reddit or the BBC or Guardian.
I predict it will sink without trace, after wasting millions of dollars.
But I totally agree with you. Not only is it not possible to scroll without the two-fingers trick (which I didn't know about until now, despite being a pretty advanced/heavy iOS user), it also scrolls really jumpily.
But the hypocrisy shouldn't detract from the merit of the article: his points are well-made and correct. Although the article suggests the methods are the problems and that they should change them (e.g. the removal of the carousel and introduction of greyscale thumbnails), but actually these aren't necessary: some iOS developers have taken it upon themselves to improve the daily, and have come up with the following: Loren Brichter (Tweetie/Twitter) optimised the carousel [1] and Jonah Grant optimised page turning [2].
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C6s9BLyur4
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHOCFb_hDE
As an aside, is it really so unusual to see an iOS (or any mobile platform developer) ignorant of their platform's corner-cases when it comes to things like mail or the web? We spend all our time on laptops coding, just like everyone else ;-)
javascript:document.getElementById('menu').style.backgroundColor="#c0c0c0"
[Edit: just realised it's only red if your mouse is over that area, which mine was]
I have no bias against Mr. Murdoch but why waste the limited amount of time and energy afforded each of us by freely offering unrequested and uncompensated advice?
It's also easier to remember tips and dictums when given an example to ponder than if provided in a vacuum.