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Re:Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower tha... by cellularmitosis on Thursday December 19, 2019 @02:08AM (#21832683)
Actually, a computer from 1983 is still the reigning latency champion. https://danluu.com/input-lag/
Re:Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower tha... by AlexCoventry on Thursday December 19, 2019 @02:55AM (#21832894)
That comparison's a bit ridiculous, considering how much more a modern system is doing and making possible. I think all it shows is that latencies under 200ms are widely regarded as acceptable. What latencies are observed if you run an OS of comparable simplicity to the Apple 2e's on a modern machine?
Re:Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower tha... by throwaway2048 on Thursday December 19, 2019 @04:48AM (#21833423)
If you ran an OS that was exactly as simple as the Apple 2e, the Apple 2e would still win.

Modern hardware introduces a significant amount of latency, its important to differentiate throughput and speed, a modern computer would crush a 2e in throughput a million times over, maybe more, but that doesn't mean its pipeline is shorter.

Re:Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower tha... by Wowfunhappy on Friday December 20, 2019 @03:41PM (#21847214)
Why? Can nothing be done about it short of literally going back to 90s era hardware?

I see latency as a silent killer, of sorts. For instance, if you introduce a tiny bit of mouse latency, users won't notice the additional latency, but they will sense that their mouse doesn't feel quite as good. Give them a side by side comparison, and I bet most will be able to tell you the mouse with slightly less latency feels better.

This extends to everything. Video games with lower latency appear to have better, smoother controls. Calls with less latency result in smoother, more natural conversations. Touch screens with less latency feel more natural and responsive.

(I only have anecdotal evidence of this, but I am absolutely convinced of it.)

Re:Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower tha... by joshspankit on Thursday December 19, 2019 @02:41PM (#21838442)
Definitely dig this theory and feel like it might be spot-on, but do we have any linkable evidence?
Re:Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower tha... by tripzilch on Friday December 20, 2019 @07:29AM (#21843635)
Evidence? Of how computers work?
Re:Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower tha... by joshspankit on Friday December 20, 2019 @03:34PM (#21847172)
Evidence that “If you ran an OS that was exactly as simple as the Apple 2e, the Apple 2e would still win.”...
Re:Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower tha... by tripzilch on Friday December 20, 2019 @07:28AM (#21843630)
> I think all it shows is that latencies under 200ms are widely regarded as acceptable.

They are literally not. At all. You're way off. For anyone who cares about latency, you gotta be sub 50ms at least. For anyone doing generic not latency-sensitive work, maybe you can get away with 100ms, but that's stretching it.

200-250ms is the (purposefully built-in) latency with which an autocomplete may appear while typing. Not the latency for a single character or mouse click!

Where do you get 200ms latency anyway? That's a lot