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Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by josephorjoe on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @11:34AM (#21826543)
This feels weird to me.

If you have advertised a job and I've given you my resume, it is to give you some information you can use to avoid wasting your time and my time.

Just like I would hope your advertisement is accurate and useful enough to let me decide if it is a good use of time for me to send you a resume (e.g., saw an ad for "react developer" -- got to the interview and they were looking for a "server side java dev" -- I mean -- wtf?).

Not reading a resume before an interview feels... rude. It feels like the path that leads to you asking a Java/Go programmer to do a Javascript coding challenge in 50 minutes, which is a waste of everyone's time.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by avip on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @12:17PM (#21827029)
It is rude. People put lots of effort into resumes. But it's ruder to reject a candidate based on age, gender, martial status, education or lack thereof or doing non sw jobs in the past.

I always talk on the phone before and that's where we both make sure the interview is of relevance.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by tristor on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @01:33PM (#21827763)
If you can't read someone's resume without rejecting them based on age, gender, marital status, education or lack thereof, or for their non-sw work history, then it sounds like you're not a very good person to be interviewing candidates. The concept of "unconscious bias" might be true in an academic sense, but in a very real way you should be treating people with respect regardless of their characteristics, especially during an interview process. Not reading someone's resume isn't just rude, it's supremely disrespectful.

I take a completely different approach, because I have been on the receiving end of disrespectful interviews and I won't stand for it and I don't expect the candidates I interview to accept it either. I carefully read the resume and research the candidate far in advance to the interview. I only ask questions during the interview which are open-ended, not trivia questions, and are directly related to either the content of the candidate's resume or things we're actually doing day-to-day on my team.

The dog and pony show interview style is intensely disrespectful and so is the idea that you won't even read a candidate's resume. I've walked out of interviews where both have happened, and I hope everyone on HN gets the personal confidence to do the same. I'm a professional, I expect to be treated like a professional, and I return that by treating those I interview like professionals. End of story.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by avip on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @04:46PM (#21829797)
>it sounds like you're not a very good person to be interviewing candidates

We agree on that one, but the alternatives are worse. Would you like to take my place interviewing? It's a time consuming task I'd love to delegate to someone more experienced.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by GreenJelloShot on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @05:34PM (#21830185)
I would honestly love to take a job that was 100% focused on interviewing and hiring technical people. I have been through so many bad interviews (on both sides of the desk) that I think it really should be a dedicated position staffed by people who actually understand the major defects in the industry.
Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by avip on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @06:09PM (#21830427)
You can always apply to triplebytes and get exactly such position :)

<disclaimer: my affiliation with triplebytes is that they've rejected my application twice - possibly cementing parent suggestion that I'm underqualified to interview developers>

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by Aeolun on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @07:46PM (#21831050)
I hate interviewing (on both sides of the table), but I’d much rather do it than have someone else do it because I hope I can make it marginally less harrowing for the candidates.

I guess I’m a terrible interviewer, but so far the candidates we hired have worked out.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by bduerst on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @04:29PM (#21829680)
Being cognizant of unconscious bias doesn't make someone a bad interviewer, in fact, it makes for the opposite.

It sounds like you've had some combative interviews in the past (it sucks - I've had them too) but that's not the same as being aware of biases.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by tristor on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @04:49PM (#21829835)
There's a difference between being cognizant of unconscious bias and being disrespectful to your candidate. I am cognizant of unconscious bias, so cognizant that I know it plays a much smaller role in biased outcomes than conscious intended bias. I read candidate resumes and I treat candidates with respect.

The parent is disrespectful to the candidates they interview and I am being charitable in taking their explanation about bias at face value.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by perl4ever on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @09:40PM (#21831609)
Not reading resumes can be part of a process to efficiently discriminate by age, because it's precisely older people who have an interest in you reading a resume, because it's they who have important stuff there.
Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by detaro on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @05:49PM (#21830294)
Then don't have the interviewer read the resume, but have another person reading the resume give them the basic information about the expected skills.
Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by nkrisc on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @03:36PM (#21829154)
> age, gender, martial status

What resume has this information? This is all stuff you can infer from the interview itself.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by GreenJelloShot on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @05:36PM (#21830196)
Yeah, age I can understand. People usually list their college degree along with the date of graduation, so you can usually make a good guess about their age.

But, I have no idea how you gather gender or marital status from a resume.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by sokoloff on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:39AM (#21834006)
Most names are gendered. Can I tell 100% that Jane is female from the name? Of course not, but then I can’t tell with certainty that someone who graduated in 2011 is ~30 either.

It’s fairly common in my experience for CVs from European candidates to have marital status/other family information (and often a photo!) on them. I don’t know why and I just ignore it.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by nkrisc on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:49AM (#21834051)
Very true. I suppose I worded my earlier comment poorly. You can generally infer age and gender from one's name and education dates (of course, not always). But the point I was trying to make it that this would not be explicitly on there, particularly marital status. But looks like even there I'm wrong.

Pictures on resumes? That's a new one for me.

Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by sokoloff on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:52AM (#21834063)
Yeah. It was super weird the first time I saw it on >80% of resumes I was screening for a director position in Europe. I asked my HR contact over there and she didn’t seem to think it was unusual at all.
Re:A hiring test I'd like to run by Aeolun on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @07:44PM (#21831037)
> It feels like the path that leads to you asking a Java/Go programmer to do a Javascript coding challenge in 50 minutes, which is a waste of everyone's time.

Depends, we always give someone a super small coding challenge (literally write 4 lines if you know how to, and the longest I’ve seen is something like 15), and any decent Java/Go dev could do that even if they had to learn JS on the spot (probably not necessary, but...).

But yeah, I agree with your main point. Not reading a resume is rude.