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Re:When will the Netherlands disappear? by 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @11:26AM (#21826455)
> Meanwhile, since NL has failed significantly to meet EU (nitrogen) emissions requirements - almost entirely because of mass agriculture - there's a freeze on building housing, roads, etc. Oh and the country-wide max speed limit will be limited down to 100kph starting Jan 1 (which I don't mind so terribly, but many people do mind).

And all of their efforts combined, even if it were 100% successful, will be a drop in the bucket of the emissions coming from China.

The farmers are right to protest pointless austerity measures, especially since they’re growing food to keep people alive.

Re:When will the Netherlands disappear? by edhelas on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @11:37AM (#21826574)
Knowing that 1/3 of the food produced is wasted (http://www.fao.org/food-loss-and-food-waste/en/) that we consume way more meat than a few decades ago and that we import a lot of cereals, vegetables and fruits from aboard I don't think that blaming the Chinese or Indian people is the way to go.

30% of China production is exported.

Growing tomatoes in December in huge greenhouses like you can see in many places in Netherlands is maybe not the smartest way to save energy.

Re:When will the Netherlands disappear? by 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @02:31PM (#21828394)
There’s no blame. China is 29% of global CO2 emissions and the Netherlands is 0.47%.

There is literally nothing the Netherlands can do to materially affect global CO2 output at this point. The measures put forth are unserious in the face of real data.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_...

Re:When will the Netherlands disappear? by edhelas on Thursday December 19, 2019 @02:27AM (#21832756)
It's known that Netherlands only host companies that are in the interest of the environment. One example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell.

It's super easy to say "look I'm not to blame" when most of what you're doing is not at home.

Except for the intensive agriculture, most of the Dutch activity is in the 3rd sector, services. And in those services you have banks, oil companies, lobbying… (and also tax evaded ones, but that's another topic) that can be considered as the most impacting companies, even CO² wise, in the world.

So please, counting on the fact that Dutchies are not a lot of people and are putting solar panel on their roof is really missing 95% of the topic.