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Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by tasogare on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @10:18AM (#21825682)
You forget to say these kids didn’t magically lend in jail. They were brought there by their parents that purposely broke immigration laws. They possibly even did it with the idea of appealing to emotion of US citizens to get away with it.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by ansible on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @02:41PM (#21828509)
> They were brought there by their parents that purposely broke immigration laws.

Yes, they crossed the border illegally, in order to apply for asylum, because they would have been automatically rejected otherwise.

Think though, for a moment, how desperate someone must be, to give up their home, travel thousands of miles (not in an airplane) and put their lives in danger, just for the chance for asylum in the USA.

> They possibly even did it with the idea of appealing to emotion of US citizens to get away with it.

Yes, because parents of children often sacrifice their children's health and livelihood just to make a point. Or as a media stunt.

If you don't care about these people, if you feel no sympathy at all, that's fine (well... it's not fine, but it is besides the point). But such cynicism as to their own motives is not accurate.

Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by sfkdjf9j3j on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @11:30AM (#21826501)
They aren't breaking immigration laws as they are asylum seekers.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by drocer88 on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @12:17PM (#21827028)
They are economic migrants, otherwise they'd apply for "asylum" with Mexico.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by oh_sigh on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @01:46PM (#21827895)
Pretty much everyone is going to say they are seeking asylum if they are caught.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by take_a_breath on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @04:00PM (#21829405)
Just like anyone is going to say they are innocent if arrested. Luckily, we have a process to determine validity.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by kingkawn on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @12:58PM (#21827423)
How devious of them to suffer, often because of US intervention in south and Central America, and then tell us about it.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by ABeeSea on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @10:46AM (#21825987)
Applying for asylum at the border isn’t illegal.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by anthony_romeo on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @12:53PM (#21827370)
I understand, but why are the conditions of some of these facilities appalling?
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by magic_beans on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @11:43AM (#21826654)
This country was literally founded as a refuge for asylum-seekers.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by tasogare on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:23PM (#21836978)
That country was literally founded because indigenous people couldn't enforce their borders.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by oh_sigh on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @01:47PM (#21827903)
That's not even remotely true.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by astrodust on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @02:32PM (#21828405)
Go read the Statue of Liberty.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by oh_sigh on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:54AM (#21832319)
You probably mean the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty, which was written a century after the founding of the nation.

The founding fathers weren't shy about writing their ideas down. If you're going to speak of the founding, maybe you can quote the actual words of the actual founding fathers, instead of a poet 100 years later. Where did they say the country was founded as a refuge for asylum-seekers?

Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by astrodust on Thursday December 19, 2019 @03:23PM (#21838845)
Remind me, if you will, who the Pilgrims were?
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by oh_sigh on Thursday December 19, 2019 @04:46PM (#21839664)
I didn't know the pilgrims founded the country.

Also ironic you would bring them up since they were very much an "asylum for me, but not for thee" group, which explains all of the religious refugees leaving Massachusetts during the pilgrim's rule.

Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by astrodust on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:29PM (#21840358)
America is built of and by immigrants.

vs.

No it isn't.

Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by oh_sigh on Friday December 20, 2019 @12:36AM (#21841944)
It clearly is - native Americans certainly aren't the dominant people in the US.
Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by dragonwriter on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:10AM (#21842032)
> native Americans certainly aren't the dominant people in the US.

“Conquerors” and “immigrants” are meaningfully distinct, and the reason the indigenous people of the continent aren't dominant is at least as much the former as the latter.

Re:A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Unt... by oh_sigh on Friday December 20, 2019 @07:38PM (#21848696)
You're discounting the fact that most extant native peoples almost certainly displaced other native people by the time the Europeans showed up. To provide a single example, Southern Athabaskans ventured south from Canada and displaced the Pueblo people after Europeans had already started showing up in North America.

Also, "aslyum-seeker" and "immigrant" are two distinct concepts.