Re:Hackers Penetrate Nasdaq Computers
by dkarl on Saturday February 05, 2011 @10:07AM
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Another person familiar with the case said the incidents were, for a computer network, the equivalent of someone sneaking into a house and walking around but—apparently, so far—not taking or tampering with anything.
That's a really scary way of putting it, because if they're inside the house they can already take anything they want. I hope it's more like they jumped a fence and walked around the house peering through the windows.
Re:Hackers Penetrate Nasdaq Computers
by spoiledtechie on Saturday February 05, 2011 @05:08AM
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I wonder if any country would have something to gain from a Market shutdown? Most major countries/continents now have one of their own stock exchanges, but what country can gain from this one going down? I could only assume China, but they are so reliant on the US dollar, they truly wouldn't want to see if fall. Maybe rogue hackers, but then again, most likely if they are a group, they are looking for something in the future.
Re:Hackers Penetrate Nasdaq Computers
by leon_ on Saturday February 05, 2011 @06:35AM
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They are not hackers. They are crackers.
Real hackers hang out on HN!
/edit: what's with the downvotes? wasn't it stated multiple times that the people who break into computer systems are not to be called "hackers" but "crackers"?
Re:Hackers Penetrate Nasdaq Computers
by jasonkester on Saturday February 05, 2011 @07:55AM
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wasn't it stated multiple times that the people who break into computer systems are not to be called "hackers" but "crackers"?
Yes, here. But not in the Wall Street Journal. To everybody in the world bar a few hundred of us here, they are using the correct terminology. It's probably best to let it go.
Re:Hackers Penetrate Nasdaq Computers
by marcinw on Saturday February 05, 2011 @09:52AM
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Many would also argue that the majority of people that hang out here are not "hackers" but instead "developers that (mostly) know how to get shit done."
In their eyes, hacking is exploiting a weakness in a system to do something the system was not originally intended or designed to do.
Re:Hackers Penetrate Nasdaq Computers
by leon_ on Saturday February 05, 2011 @03:07PM
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> Many would also argue that the majority of people that hang out here are not "hackers" but instead "developers that (mostly) know how to get shit done."
Re:Hackers Penetrate Nasdaq Computers
by gruseom on Saturday February 05, 2011 @11:48AM
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It's not that simple. The earliest documented use of "hacker" actually did mean breaking into a (pre-computer) system. Sorry I don't have the citation handy and noprocrast (blessed be its name) is about to kick in on me. But it's been discussed here before.
So both uses of "hacker" can claim legitimacy. Perhaps that's as it should be. Maybe we shouldn't try to completely segregate the unauthorized from the creative. I'm tempted to say language knows best.
wasn't it stated multiple times that the people who break into computer systems are not to be called [...]
Stated by whom? This is the problem with the term "cracker". It's an artificial concoction (like "womyn") designed to make a point. That's why nobody uses it.
That's a really scary way of putting it, because if they're inside the house they can already take anything they want. I hope it's more like they jumped a fence and walked around the house peering through the windows.
Especially if someone brought down NASDAQ, then confidence in all stock markets would be eroded, bringing them all down.
"Investigators are considering a range of possible motives, including unlawful financial gain, theft of trade secrets and a" terrorist.
Real hackers hang out on HN!
/edit: what's with the downvotes? wasn't it stated multiple times that the people who break into computer systems are not to be called "hackers" but "crackers"?
Yes, here. But not in the Wall Street Journal. To everybody in the world bar a few hundred of us here, they are using the correct terminology. It's probably best to let it go.
In their eyes, hacking is exploiting a weakness in a system to do something the system was not originally intended or designed to do.
But in the end, nobody cares.
yeah, but why is it called hacker news then?
So both uses of "hacker" can claim legitimacy. Perhaps that's as it should be. Maybe we shouldn't try to completely segregate the unauthorized from the creative. I'm tempted to say language knows best.
wasn't it stated multiple times that the people who break into computer systems are not to be called [...]
Stated by whom? This is the problem with the term "cracker". It's an artificial concoction (like "womyn") designed to make a point. That's why nobody uses it.
I assumed it was community consensus to condemn the abuse of the word "hacker" by the media.
But maybe HN is too cognitive dissociated from the hacker community to have a productive discussion going on about this topic.