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Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @09:40AM (#21813839)
Does what she did even pass the sniff test? What if she got permission from her supervisor to inject $political_message_you_dont_agree_with in your browser. Would you be okay with that?
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by danso on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:06AM (#21814116)
A pro-union statement may be a "political message", but it is also content that has special protections in labor law. As the article says, as part of a legal settlement over alleged labor violations, Google is required to print out and post a statement of employee rights [0] that begins, "FEDERAL LAW GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO: Form, join, or assist a union;...Act together with other employees for your benefit and protection;"

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/13/googles-settlement-on-speech...

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:10AM (#21814177)
Print out and post is not the same thing as injecting JS in the browser. Was she part of the legal or compliance team?
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by danso on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:16AM (#21814245)
FTA: "The tool is managed by the platform security team, for which Spiers worked for almost two years as a security engineer."
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:17AM (#21814259)
Is it part of the security teams mission to insure legal compliance to workplace laws?

I’m part of my company’s “architecture team” but that doesn’t mean I have the right (even though I do have the access) to spin up an X1 AWS instance at work with 2TB of RAM. If my immediate manager said it was okay, I would have sense enough to get it confirmed by my CTO.

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by danso on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:34AM (#21814481)
Company management does not typically go out of its way to disseminate right-to-unionize speech. They are legally prevented from stifling such speech. And apparently, their alleged labor violations were serious enough that the NLRB mandated as part of their settlement that Google must post more material informing workers of their right to unionize [0].

But my overall point is not that I think her alteration was appropriate (given the context of the tool). But that her mistake could reasonably be seen as one made in good faith, especially because the content itself does not outright violate company policy or labor law. In other words: approved content, unapproved venue. The question is: that's a fireable offense?

So why do you keep likening it to hypotheticals that would reasonably violate standard policy and procedure, such as conspiring with your manager to spend $53K on a Mac Pro that you use at home? Or injecting via browser notification a "political_message_you_dont_agree_with"?

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/13/googles-settlement-on-speech...

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:44AM (#21814618)
A former company I worked for was under a consent decree. Their legal team had to come up with remedies that were acceptable by the government to address them - not their security team.

I was the dev lead responsible for writing software that would be used by the department that was most impacted by the decree. Should I have taken it upon myself to create pop ups informing them to be careful about compliance? Legally, I probably couldn’t have been fired but would that have displayed good judgement?

When you are part of certain departments or positions, you have more access and therefore are expected to have better judgement.

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by ummonk on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:54PM (#21817192)
Many startups have a culture where you could spin up an X1 AWS instance with 2TB of RAM if you need it, without having to go and get approval. Similarly, Google has a culture where engineers make various changes to internal tools without needing approval from higher ups.
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:59PM (#21817267)
Well, according to the post, obviously not....
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by ummonk on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:08PM (#21817389)
No, the post states that it is obviously the case:

>This kind of code change happens all the time. We frequently add things to make our jobs easier or even to just share hobbies or interests. For example, someone changed the default desktop wallpaper during the walkout last year so that the Linux penguin was holding a protest sign. The company has never reacted aggressively in response to a notification such as this in the past. It’s always been a celebrated part of the culture.

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @03:20PM (#21818314)
It’s amazing that you think that anecdote is okay or even welcomed....
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by pr0zac on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @09:57AM (#21814014)
Well no, but considering that she seems to have followed the correct processes if she had done that I'd have expected the response to be rolling back the commit and a follow up postmortem to document what was missing from the process that allowed it to happen and changes made to the process to prevent it from happening in the future. Not firing the employee. You shouldn't blame workers for system failures.
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:04AM (#21814084)
What if your manager told you it was okay to post “Make America Great Again” or “Hope” (Obama’s slogan) slogans on everyone’s desk because he was staunch Republican/Democrat - would you just shrug and say “my manager said it was okay”?
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by danso on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:09AM (#21814169)
Again, labor/union messaging has protections that political campaigning does not. If you were a manager and you told your employee to throw away the pro-union pamphlet that you taped to your cubicle wall, your manager would be putting the company in legal trouble.
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:12AM (#21814209)
Taping it to your wall is acceptable. Posting it to my computer screen isn’t.
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by throwaway2048 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:23AM (#21814356)
why, and more importantly, why is this an "immediately fire" level of offense, would this have been the result if the popup reminded you that its earth day?

Its naive to think her firing had nothing to do with the fact Google doesn't like unions.

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:46AM (#21814647)
Why? It’s just like religion. If your religion tells you not to drink, I will respect that. If your religion tells you that I’m not allowed to drink I will tell you to f’ off.
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by throwaway2048 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:51AM (#21814707)
The irony being of course, Google's entire business is shoving ads into people's faces that approximately nobody wants to see.
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by scarface74 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @10:55AM (#21814744)
And guess what? I don’t need government intervention for that either. I can install an ad blocker, not use software that is ad based with no way to get rid of the ads and not buy Android phones. Free will is great isn’t it?
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by antpol on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @01:40AM (#21822421)
But the owners of websites want to show these google ads to you. Who is in control of content: the viewers or creators/hosters?