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Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by ianai on Saturday December 14, 2019 @11:17AM (#21790224)
How close to governmental organizations is it?
Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by monocasa on Saturday December 14, 2019 @11:18AM (#21790230)
It is a direct partnership with the Shaghai Municipal Government.
Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by ianai on Saturday December 14, 2019 @12:31PM (#21790693)
Hard pass then.
Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by bilbo0s on Saturday December 14, 2019 @01:13PM (#21791025)
Pretty sure these aren't meant for us.

Probably building them so they don't have to use American parts. What's funny is that everyone claims that no one wants decoupling. While at the same time, everyone is also taking measures which are at once, very rational, and lead inevitably to a decoupled world.

Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by baybal2 on Saturday December 14, 2019 @01:51PM (#21791289)
It has more to do with state grants, which in China are quite big
Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by bilbo0s on Saturday December 14, 2019 @02:11PM (#21791441)
And government tech grants are very rational. We give them out in the US as well. Governments have their goals. I can understand that.

I'm just saying that the amalgamation of rational actions on the part of everyone involved has the potential to lead us to the decoupled world that everyone claims they don't want.

Of course China should fund their chip industry. It's common sense. Long term, they should probably be using their own chips. Also common sense. But imagine the same common sense being applied across the economies of all great nations in every critical sector. Think about where such measures lead in terms of global trade.

Maybe it's good? Not saying it's a definite bad thing. I'm a dad, when my kids were younger, if they couldn't get along I made them take their things and go back to their rooms. I have to admit, that made for a much more peaceful house. I'm just saying that it's probably better for the development of the children for them to peacefully play together.

Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by bnt on Saturday December 14, 2019 @02:07PM (#21791416)
Which they are forced to give. If US companies stop selling components to China, it’s back to the stone age for them.
Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by bildung on Sunday December 15, 2019 @05:29AM (#21795493)
Hardly. The US is still a large trade partner for China, and an immediate stop will certainly trigger a domestic crisis, but they aren't really that dependent on the US. I'm not aware of a single item that only the US exclusively produces.

OTH China invests 95% of GDP on infrastructure (compared to 1.5% in the US), creating a huge domestic market. And a a stop of trade with the US will also mean a stop of China keeping the dollar strong - which they do because their currency is pegged to the dollar. They won't have a reason to continue this practice without trade with the US.

Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by bildung on Monday December 16, 2019 @01:49PM (#21805807)
*9% of GDP for China of course, not 95%!
Re:Zhaoxin Unveiled Next-Generation x86 SoC Plans by yorwba on Saturday December 14, 2019 @03:19PM (#21791922)
Iran is pretty far away from the stone age, despite US sanctions. If the components can't be sold legally, they can still be smuggled. The added inefficiency would of course drive prices up, but it wouldn't be quite as disastrous as you seem to believe.