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Re:Lab chimps were dumped on Liberia's Monkey Island – their... by koboll on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:17PM (#21778887)
The parent comment is not arguing we shouldn't kill any living things, only that we shouldn't kill conscious things.

You obviously need to participate in ending life to sustain yourself, but it's not necessary to end life capable of thinking, feeling, and suffering.

Re:Lab chimps were dumped on Liberia's Monkey Island – their... by colechristensen on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:26PM (#21778926)
There are people who won't eat plant matter which could lead to new life (seeds, tubers, eggs, etc.) as it is violence to plants. Consciousness isn't a binary feature you can sort things definitely into have and have-not, it's a spectrum. There is a spectrum of decisions to be made about harming other life to survive, and I've made my choice. I'm not telling anybody to make the same choice as me, but I think many people's choices are unreasonable and more importantly not based on reason or appreciation for life.
Re:Lab chimps were dumped on Liberia's Monkey Island – their... by koboll on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:14PM (#21783393)
>Consciousness isn't a binary feature you can sort things definitely into have and have-not, it's a spectrum.

Of course. But while we can't draw an exact line where it begins, we can certainly categorize some obvious things as being on one side of it or the other.

In terms of thinking, feeling, and suffering, it's obvious that

1. pigs (for example) are certainly capable of these things, as least as much as a young human child, and

2. wheat is not meaningfully capable of these things.

So there is a moral cost to killing a pig that there isn't to killing a wheat plant.

This isn't something particularly revolutionary. It's illegal to torture and kill pigs outside of certain sanctioned contexts, so we recognize this intuitively as a society. We just choose to remain cognitively dissonant when it comes to our food sources.

Re:Lab chimps were dumped on Liberia's Monkey Island – their... by ekianjo on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:46PM (#21779010)
Serious question: how do you feel about conscious animals in the wild killing and eating each other's?
Re:Lab chimps were dumped on Liberia's Monkey Island – their... by koboll on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:17PM (#21783419)
We don't have the capability or will currently to do much about it in a way that won't devastate the food chain, and thus the environment. So while it's sad and unfortunate, there's not much we can or should do about it, on a mass scale. If I personally stumbled upon a (small, not threatening to me) predator attacking a prey animal, I would personally intervene.

This seems pretty intuitive. I think most people have roughly the same mindset.

Re:Lab chimps were dumped on Liberia's Monkey Island – their... by richardw on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:03PM (#21779064)
If a leopard can't catch something, it will die. We have alternatives. And we know about them. And we can grow them.